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>> This is cute, but why?
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Why?
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But it's a cute baby.
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But why this?
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But it's an adorable baby.
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But, my God.
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Okay.
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That's the Danny interest on, gotcha.
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Okay.
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Can you follow my channel on that channel?
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Or turn on redirects?
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How to turn on redirect feature YouTube.
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>> You have to have more places for people to live.
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>> I mean, there's no shorter way to -- it was the only way we --
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>> Hey, guys, what's up? Welcome to episode five of "Bridges." I am joined today by world famous music creator and movie reviewer Adam, also known online on YouTube as your movie sucks.
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>> What's up is we finally made it, finally together, although we did the short little thing two days ago.
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>> How are you doing here in Miami?
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>> Pretty good. I've noticed a couple cultural differences. A lot of parking on the grass. Kind of amusing. I don't see that many other places. It's a little hot, but I think I'd get used to it.
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>> Okay.
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>> I'm not sure if that's the Canadian standards.
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>> Cool. Anything else you want to go over?
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>> I thought you had a list. I was just kind of seeing where you wanted to go with things.
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>> Okay. We chatted a long time ago. We chatted a few times on stream about movie takes, which we're completely in synchronization with, I think.
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>> To some degree.
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>> You thought "Dune 2" was better than "Dune 1."
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>> Yes.
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>> It's a big, ugly --
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>> I wouldn't say trash, but it's one of those things where people will be like, oh, you should correct "Destiny" about his take on "Oppenheimer." It's not like an amazing movie. There's things that I liked about it. I wouldn't call it trash. I would just say it kind of kneecapped itself from being a better film.
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>> Close enough. I'll take it. When you started doing movie reviews on YouTube, what was your goal? Do you think it's changed?
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>> Wow, that's a really interesting question. When I started doing movie reviews on YouTube, I saw the channel Red Letter Media. Essentially, that was kind of an awakening moment of being like, oh, I can actually communicate my thoughts through editing rather than just try to release some sort of vlog-style video.
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On one of my other channels, there's a really, really early example of me even attempting that. I was like, oh, so I just saw the movie "Sunshine" and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, just into my handy cam.
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>> When you say you can do your critique through editing, do you mean editing together parts of the movie with your commentary over it?
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>> Editing together parts of the movie with my commentary over it, but also the nature of how I approach the criticisms in the video. A lot of the criticisms are found through the editing process. A lot of the jokes is found through the personality of the editing process.
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I just found that to be just a much more me way of communicating myself. I was a bit more, I guess, nervous and not great at speaking in general, especially to audiences at the time. I found that just the nature of being able to record something on a microphone, be able to re-record something and stitch it in and show examples of what I'm saying, right?
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It's different if you're making an argument about a film. I feel like it's better to show and support the argument that you're making by including clips of the film. I just didn't know that was possible before that time. The really early material on my channel is very much pretty closely emulating/ripping off red letter media.
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But then after doing it for enough times, then I wound up finding my own style, I guess. Here I am.
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I feel like when I watch a lot of YouTube movie review stuff, a lot of it is done from the perspective of an argumentative essay or persuasive essay where they're trying to sell you on a feature of a film or argue about a particular feature of a film.
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I feel like when I watch a lot of your stuff, at least your, kind of like the, here's a bunch of movie reviews for stuff that's just come out or stuff you've seen at a film festival, it feels a little bit more neutral or subjective.
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Like, I like this movie because of this or that. And then it feels like generally you leave them there with the exception of certain videos. When you're making stuff like that, is your goal just to communicate something you like? Is it to get people to watch stuff that you like? What is the goal there?
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I mean, part of the goal is expressing myself and showing the connection that I had with a film, or lack thereof if I'm completely uninvested in something, is just be honest about my own personal experience of the film.
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But also, you know, there's plenty of films where I could imagine someone else enjoying it or just based on, like, I don't know, the current screenings, it's like, okay, people love this movie, I wasn't into it, I appreciated this about it.
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I still want to leave people with an impression that even if they don't agree with my take on something or my general taste in movies, that they can still watch one of my videos and go like, okay, maybe I might like that movie.
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Or maybe I might not like this movie. There's some movies that I love, but I'm like, okay, this is a little difficult to recommend and I wouldn't exactly recommend it to people without them being either already familiar with a certain type of artist or a certain type of filmmaking, so.
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Why should somebody value your opinion on a movie?
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I don't think that I make the case that my opinion should be valued. I think that people just inherently do, just based on the subscriber count, the amount of people that, especially the people that get pissed over my reviews.
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It's like, what, I don't know what. If I dislike the movie that a lot of people loved, people take that very seriously. It's like, they're the ones essentially putting me on this pedestal of perceived legitimacy.
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I don't come at it from any sort of academic perspective. I didn't go to film school. I'm just a person that's passionate and I'm sharing my honest assessment.
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Do you think that you're making an ask when you create a video that somebody take your opinion seriously as they're watching it?
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I mean, I don't, people are free to either watch it or not watch it or take it seriously or not take it seriously. Much like the art that I love the most, I'm not necessarily trying to appeal to every single person.
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My content would be a lot different if I was just trying to game the algorithm and if I was just trying to make the most money off of it or piss off the least amount of people.
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So I think that there is a value, much like how I have a strong connection emotionally with the artists that I love the most.
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I think there is a value in being an honest person that can be against the grain, but not because I'm specifically trying to.
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But if I'm saying something that I know might piss a lot of people off, still saying it anyway because to the people that do agree or the people that do understand, it feels like a breath of fresh air to them.
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That's why I feel like the connection between me and my audience is a lot stronger.
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Okay, this is leading into questions I have.
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Yesterday I took a little vacation, had a little LSD trip, and on my comedown I was like, "You know what? Adam has recommended this f*cking movie. Is it Synecdoche in New York?"
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Yeah, Synecdoche in New York.
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And I was like, "Okay, you know what? I'm going to watch this movie."
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On your comedown?
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Yeah, why not?
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That's not how he suggested to watch it.
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Well, you know, I did.
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It was okay. I feel like Iron Man 2 expressed a lot of similar themes. Why'd you laugh there?
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Because I don't believe you're being serious.
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You actually watched it, though?
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I did. It was a lot.
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I don't know how long we're going to talk about this. We get bored, then tell me. Apparently you have a six-hour review on it, which I wish I would have known because I mentioned it this morning. I haven't watched your full six-hour review, so you might have gone over a lot of this ground.
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I don't think it's six hours, but we're coming up to part six, and each part is like 20 to 40 minutes, I think.
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And I started in 2015.
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And anybody that's going to watch that review, take the part at the beginning with the grain of salt where I talk about the clock a bunch because I kind of f*cked up, but I addressed it in the next part.
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But everything else about it, yeah. It's themes of change and time, and also showing that older part of myself is, I think, keeping in line with the film anyway.
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Okay. Yeah, I have a lot of macro themes that tie into that movie, and then kind of questions I've asked you, and then more particularly about the movie.
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One thing that kind of came up to me when I finished watching, there was a whole bunch of things I was thinking about, but on a very macro level, I thought about the trust that has to exist between the audience or viewer and a filmmaker in order to make a movie that really forces you to consider it.
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And I kind of thought about, there's a lot of, I like a lot of really accessible film, so like the Marvel movies and stuff, I genuinely do like.
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When I think about the relationship there between the filmmaker and me, it's a very low trust environment.
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They're showing me something that I want to see that's highly formulaic.
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I'm not being asked to consider anything like very profound or difficult.
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I'm just kind of there to enjoy the ride.
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It's like a carnival trick almost, or like a ride in a carnival.
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Whereas for a movie like this, the filmmaker is trusting me, and I'm trusting him that I'm going to sit here and seriously consider something quite heavy, quite difficult, quite difficult to follow, difficult to consider.
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But I'm going to trust that you're not wasting my time, that you're not jerking me around, that you're showing me something that's worth me considering.
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Do you have a general feeling on the, I guess that aspect, this might just be a totally random, I don't know if this connects to anything, but I guess the feeling of trust between filmmakers and moviegoers, and if you feel like that's in a low spot today, or if you feel like what I'm talking about isn't relevant to anything at all.
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I think that it really just depends on the artist.
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I do have more of a level of trust with an artist like Charlie Kaufman where I've connected to so many of his previous works.
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But also, even with artists that I do have a significant amount of trust with in that sense, it's still just on a case-by-case basis with each film.
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There are some, like Nicholas Winding Refn, who directed Drive, loved that movie.
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His next movie after that was called Only God Forgives.
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And it was something that was trying to get you to think about the deeper meanings, but I wasn't connecting enough with it in the first place.
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So a lot of the films that I engage with on a level where I'm willing to completely dissect it are also films that, even if they didn't really have a deeper meaning, are ones that I'd want to watch again.
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They're films that stand on their own merits and are offering something like amazing performances, or something really, like, an idea that's really personal to me, or the music, or the way that it's filmed.
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Or Synecdoche, New York is a film that kind of beckons me as an individual, and it might not everybody, and I don't expect it to to everybody, but it speaks to me on a personal level.
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And so that trust is kind of built through the course of watching each film.
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When it comes to trusting a filmmaker to not waste your time, has there ever been a film that you've watched and you're just not connecting with it?
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And you finish the film, and you think, "Maybe I didn't give it a fair shot, or maybe I need to watch it again, or look for something different."
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Or do you just kind of trust your intuition to emotionally feel, on a first watch, like, "There's something here, and I just need to pay attention a little bit more," or, "I didn't feel anything. This is probably whatever, and I just walk away from it."
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How do you determine if you're missing something versus not?
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There's plenty of films that I would, like, clearly be, you know, I think one of the most recent examples is the new Ari Oster film, "Beau's Afraid."
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Right, I thought about the deeper meanings, and I included those thoughts in my review.
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And I'm sure if I watched it a second time, there would be more that I would pick up on, and more that I would understand.
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The problem is, it's like two and a half hours long.
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And so I'm not—and not just because of the length, but also just because of the pacing of it, and because of the, I guess, just more of a disconnect between what it's trying to get at thematically, what it's showing.
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There's parts of the movie I love, but there's nothing really compelling me to want to watch it again right away.
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Whereas pretty much every Charlie Kaufman film that he's released, every major one anyway, there's something that makes me feel like I need to watch it again maybe that day, or maybe the next day.
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And I'm enjoying the experience so much, and I'm enjoying thinking about the ideas of what it's trying to get at.
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And it makes sense in a very purposeful, kind of connecting puzzles sort of way, where the pieces fit so perfectly from what it's showing and the ideas that it's trying to get at thematically.
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Yeah, so I forget exactly what your question is, but—
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Yeah, I guess basically I'm curious, have you ever watched a movie and then you felt like you didn't connect with it at all, but you felt like you owed it a rewatch, and then on rewatch, on reconsideration, you're like, "Oh, maybe there was a lot here that I missed," versus—
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I've never felt as though I'm—a movie is that—as though I should rewatch something that I don't enjoy.
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Even if there is some deeper meaning to it, if I'm just not into it, and I've seen it once, like, if I don't want to watch it a second time, that's the film's fault.
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At least if it's just trying to connect to me and only me, which it's not trying to usually, I guess.
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Okay. Do you think that background information on a film should ever be necessary, or is there always some kind of background info, or—
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I mean, yeah, there's inherently always some kind of background info to anything that you experience, but I'm of the mindset that there's a lot of novels that have been translated to film, and then I'll make a video about it just being, "Okay, this thing didn't make sense here, blah blah blah blah,"
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and then people in the comments will be like, "Oh, if you were just paying attention, it was explained in the book."
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And I'm like, "Well, the whole point of adapting a novel to a film would be that it's accessible as a film standalone. Otherwise, it's just a companion piece, which they're not selling it as."
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So I don't think that you should inherently have to look up other things about a film to be able to connect with it, but a lot of the films that I do love, I've gotten my own personal value out of doing that,
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and it's already because it connected with me in the first place with just the film alone and no supplemental material.
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You've recommended Synecdoche. I am saying this right.
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Is it? Synecdoche.
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Yeah, Synecdoche in New York. You've recommended this to me, I've seen you recommend it to others and say it's one of your top one or two favorite films of all times.
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When you finished watching it, what was the feeling afterwards, I guess on a first viewing, like why did you connect with it so much? What did you like about it?
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Despite, so I loved the sense of humor, but I also loved the, I guess, perceived morbidity of it, and the ideas that it's trying to express, even though there were much more complex ideas that I didn't pick up on a first watch,
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there are some universal truths, or things that I consider to be universal truths, that they literally just say out loud in the movie pretty explicitly, you know, the idea like, oh, we're all going to die, and everybody's just kind of like walking around,
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and nobody's really addressing it, or the concept of trying to make art in such a pure and uncompromising way that you sacrifice literally everything else, and that's the only thing that matters.
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There are things to pick up on in a first watch where it's like, oh, wow, these are like just pieces of my own life, and then I'm like really interested in figuring out more about it, because the more that you examine art that you closely relate with,
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the more you understand about yourself, and I'm a very introspective person where it's like, am I even trying to figure out the movie, or am I trying to figure out my own head after a sense, especially with this film.
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- When in terms of the messaging of having somebody tell you what to do, or tell you who you are, or figuring out who you are based on how other people view you, do you think that, what do you think is the goal of Kaufman when he's making this film,
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and he's, I guess like exploring those concepts, like when I'm watching Caden, I guess is his name right, at the end, like living his life, I don't know if it's doing his most perfect performance, or living his most true self,
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and there's somebody who's been observing him, or hired to observe people who are hired to observe him, or hired to act like him, is like telling him literally what to do through, you know, like a headphone, is this like the best way to get a view of yourself, or what do you think he's saying there,
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like what is the commentary on that? - Okay, so the idea of actors playing other actors, and people playing versions of themselves, and then zooming back and getting the meta meta layer where you're watching the film camera in the film, and then you're seeing that,
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and then on a micro level you're seeing Caden seeing literally himself in the advertisem*nts in the film, it's basically like a fractal movie, where you can zoom in infinitely, and zoom out infinitely, and it applies just the same, and you know, just the play on word, synecdoche as well,
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when he's being told what to do, I guess these are spoilers, everybody watch this movie, by the way, I don't want to like explain the whole movie for everybody. - I don't know if you can spoil this movie, I read a wiki synopsis, it was like two years ago,
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and part of it is like, at this point in the movie, the actress hired to play the actress hired to play his wife, falls in love with the actor hired to play, and it's like, I don't even know what the f*ck I'm reading, it doesn't make any sense, but when you watch it, yeah.
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- Yeah, and there is a level of consistency to it that's incredible, like the script supervising and just making sure that what they're filming is actually what they're showing, it's such a complex film, but in terms of them playing versions of themselves, and him creating this play, essentially what he is doing as his character, is he's also a representation of himself, Charlie Kaufman,
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like he's as much Caden as anybody that relates with Caden on such a hyper-specific degree also is, and through the art that he's creating is how he's essentially trying to find connections with people, and in that zoomed out layer, Charlie Kaufman is essentially doing the same thing.
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- Something that I thought was interesting for the movie is they play with the replaceability of essentially any subject by any other person, whether it's a girl playing him or him stepping into somebody else's role or whatever, and then it almost feels like some of the scenarios are interchangeable as well, that everything can be traded out with anything else.
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- I don't know if it would have been too meta or meme-y or whatever, it would be even interesting just to see a mini-documentary or an actual making of this film, because the idea of watching Kaufman telling another guy to tell another guy to act differently but not act so differently, just watching that would have been, because it is the movie, right, you said, taking it another step back and another step back and another step back, makes you wonder how much of Caden is Kaufman or how much of Kaufman is Caden, or if you could just step back infinitely and see literally the same thing.
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- Yeah, I think he created a film that he sees himself in, and he created himself and expressed himself through the art, the art is him, it's literally a piece of himself, and the goal of both Charlie Kaufman and Caden when he creates his play is to make the most uncompromising thing that truly reflects the deprived, sad, lonely nature of his own soul to find connections with other people.
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- When you come out of that film emotionally, do you feel like what's been communicated or conveyed, does it feel hopeful, does it feel mournful, I guess, is it an uplifting type of thing, or is it an isolating, alone in the universe type of thing, I'm curious, emotionally, what do you feel after watching that?
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- Everybody feels as though it's a depressing film, and I used to, and my most recent watch, I don't feel that way anymore, and I feel as though it is a hopeful film, because it's not, I mean, it is and it isn't, this is a film where things are, almost everything in the film is both true and untrue at the same time, like there are things that are and aren't simultaneously, so it is about death,
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it is about everything, it's also about one thing, right, it's about everyone, it's about one specific person simultaneously, and I feel as though the message of, you know, some people might consider Caden's end result to be one where he didn't succeed because he never premiered his play,
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but the play that he made was so true to life that him dying in the play and never finishing it and communicating that that is a part of himself, and those are his problems, but he accurately presented his problems within the art form, the play, the rehearsal was the play, right, there needs not to be the actual opening date show, it's an impossibility, it is the play that goes on forever, but he created it, and that's what it was.
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The perceived disappointments and failures were actually successes.
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>> What made you reconsider that?
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>> I think it was a really good performance, I really liked him as the lead actor for that.
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I really like things that play, I really appreciate things that fully utilize a medium that make it hard to imagine it existing in another medium.
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>> Of course.
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>> You can't really write a book saying, you know, he came into the room and a lady standing next to the wall looking like wallpaper, it wouldn't make sense to write that, or some of the shots showing the multiple layers of, I think one of the first ones that did this was downstairs, the lady was writing something, the daughter is playing right here and he's peeing in the sink, and all of it is like, there's a lot of imagery play like that that only works on film, and I appreciate that a ton, yeah.
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>> And also with the imagery, like it adds to a sense of subtlety if it's something that you can observe rather than if it were, you know, in a novel form.
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>> Written in exposition.
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>> You would have to explicitly point out the color of a dress, and then that's already kind of like, okay, why are you pointing that out specifically?
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I mean, I don't know.
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>> I noticed something that film can do that music can kind of do but not really, and books I don't think can do it all.
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It was when you were talking about that, a few days ago you were here and we were talking about you brought up a split diopter shot, I think, and something that I realized in that moment and especially when watching the Synecdoche, New York, is that one of the cool things about film is there's a focus, but there's still stuff that's out of focus, and that out of focus stuff would be really hard to communicate in another medium, but it gives you a feeling and informs what you're watching for a film like this.
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>> Yeah, the scenery, everything that you place in a frame to make an environment feel either lived in or not lived in, right, the set design is incredible in the film, and the concepts for the set design especially.
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Snubbed, snubbed, didn't get a single Oscar, no.
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>> Damn, really?
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>> Yeah.
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>> Does he traditionally win awards or?
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>> Charlie Kaufman, I think he won for best original screenplay for Eternal Sunshine, he was at the very least nominated, but I don't remember if he won or not.
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>> Probably because it's a more, it's probably a little bit of a tighter film because it's less ambitious.
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>> Yeah, and way more accessible.
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>> And it's a love story kind of, right?
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>> Yeah, Jim Carrey, and that one was something that was able to kind of take off, whereas Synecdoche, New York, its premiere at Cannes was like half applies, half booze, which is not unusual for Cannes, I guess, but it's one of those where it's like, people would watch it and think, "Oh, this is the worst movie ever," and if they're not into it and not really the type of person that is engaging with either the ideas that it's going for,
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or maybe they see these explicit ideas communicated in the film and they don't consider them to be universal truths in the same way that I would, and they wouldn't be willing to engage with the film much further, right?
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So I'm not sure.
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He's my favorite screenwriter and probably the artist that's impacted my life the most in a personal way, and it sucks because every single project, it seems like he's just having so much trouble getting it off the ground because he makes films that are challenging and there's not enough people watching them, and there's not enough people that are into the same sort of thing that I am.
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But he still doesn't really compromise himself.
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I'm sure he tries to be appealing in some way.
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I think when he made Anomalisa, the stop-motion animated film, he was saying that he was hoping that it would be a more bigger hit, sort of touching on some more universally appealing things, but sometimes it's just up to the distribution or the advertising.
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Sometimes things just get buried in that way.
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>> It's kind of relating to the first thing I said because after I finished watching it, it reminds me that the concept of trust, I don't trust Kaufman because I don't watch any of his movies.
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I've seen Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, but I trusted your take.
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I was like, well, if he says it's a really good movie, I'll give him my attention and I'll do it.
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But it seems like it's hard at the movie theater to make truly ambitious films that are asking for a lot of active participation from an audience.
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Because there's like -- I think you probably -- you would say that you can watch stuff passively and you can watch stuff actively, that the medium lends itself to either thing.
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That there are films you can watch and just kind of be there and maybe even kind of look at your phone a little bit or whatever, and you're more or less getting 95% of the film.
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And then there's other movies you can watch that call for a higher level of consideration and you have to actively be engaged with it the entire time.
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Otherwise, there's like no point in really enjoying it.
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>> With the film industry being a business, you know, when any studio buys the rights to a film and they buy a film that, you know, might be doing great critically and it's attached to a person that had an Oscar nomination and maybe that's the reason why they bought it.
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But it's difficult for them to now come to terms with the fact that they have a very unique and challenging original movie.
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But when you're advertising something, you're trying to evoke a sense of familiarity.
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Which is why a lot of the A24 horror movies, like they're unique horror movies, but you see the trailers for them and they're completely dishonest about what they are.
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They pretend as if they're like, oh, the standard horror movie you see every year.
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And then people watch them and get disappointed because they're like, oh, what, I didn't want to watch this arthouse nonsense.
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In that same way, there was a notable struggle to market Synecdoche, New York.
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You can see some of the posters will have quotes on the front like, the funniest comedy of the year.
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And it's like, I don't know if I would go with that.
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But how do you market the film?
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I think a lot of marketing decisions were left up to the artists themselves.
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They would at least be able to accurately showcase what they're offering in a film.
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And this has happened plenty of times before.
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My favorite director, Michael Haneke, or Michel Haneke, he's Austrian.
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He has a lot of control over the trailers he releases.
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So when you watch a trailer for one of his films, you're like, oh, I get the tone.
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You're not going to be tricked by any of his movies.
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You're going to be like, oh, this is a slow-paced performance story drama thing.
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And this is what I'm going to get out of it, rather than this weird sort of trailerism nonsense that people keep trying to fit into a box.
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But the movie doesn't fit into a box.
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It's its own thing.
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And I think that if they were more honest about that, then that might be a marketing strategy in of itself.
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That's what There Will Be Blood did.
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The first trailer for that film, Paul Thomas Anderson, he wound up releasing his own trailer online basically just against any permission.
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He didn't have permission from the studio.
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And he's like, okay, I'm just going to cut together my own thing.
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And it's just Daniel Day-Lewis playing Daniel Plainview.
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And the weird string musics and him like by the fire and being like, oh, the performance alone.
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And it doesn't say much about like, oh, what is the whole plot of this movie?
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But it gets you into what it's going for.
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Like this is a character piece.
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Music's really f*cked up.
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And I love the tone.
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This is how this is what we're getting out of it.
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And it did really well online.
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And that helped promote the film in a way that if it was left up to the traditional marketing people, it might not have.
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Do you think that when you mentioned the studio A24, you feel like you feel like the studio in general is moving audiences towards accepting more artsy films?
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Or do you think they've kind of fallen into a gimmick of sorts?
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Or how do you view positively or negatively?
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Do you feel like they're pushed towards getting audiences to have like a wider appreciation for different types of movies?
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It's a little bit of both.
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A24 is successful because compared to other studios and distributors, they're not constantly asking for or sending notes to the director along every step of the process.
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They essentially just take artists that they trust.
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And obviously they're probably going to want to see some sort of short film or proof of concept before they fund or anything like that.
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But from my understanding, a lot of the reason why they were able to make themselves such a brand is because the directors themselves have a bit more creative control, which I think is great.
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A24 is not the only company that's doing this.
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Neon seems to be really great at producing a lot of crazy, unique films or at least distributing them as well.
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And I think that there is because of A24, particularly because they're the more popular, more well-known brand.
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I think that there is a bit more of an appetite for challenging films because of them.
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So I would say that that's a good thing, even though it does seem like now there's this expectation of what an A24 movie is.
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So you throw A24 title at the beginning of the trailer.
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Some people might just immediately assume, oh, is this going to be a f*cked up horror movie?
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That's not every movie that they make.
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They make tons of different movies.
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But there is this weird kind of expectation or even expectation of quality.
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Some people will be like, oh, that means it's going to be good.
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It's like you haven't seen their full library.
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Oh, God, I wish I could remember.
40600:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,000
Yes.
40700:58:20,000 --> 00:58:25,000
Yeah, there are a lot of movies that I look back, it's like, oh, I had no idea because I for a while I thought, oh, yeah, Midsommar and Hereditary.
40800:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,000
And they just do like horror movies.
40900:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,000
The one movie that everything everywhere all at once, I think, was A24.
41000:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,000
Yeah.
41100:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,000
Yeah.
41200:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,000
Surprising.
41300:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,000
They have a really, really huge catalog.
41400:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,000
Yeah.
41500:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,000
Yeah.
41600:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,000
They've been going for a while.
41700:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,000
I think their first ones were in like 2013.
41800:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,000
So there's been over 10 years of A24 films.
41900:58:40,000 --> 00:58:51,000
When you look at McDonald's tier films, so films that are super accessible, taste good to most people, but they occupy a lot of space in the movie world, meaning people will only pay to see so many movies.
42000:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,000
People will only pay to produce so many movies.
42100:58:53,000 --> 00:59:00,000
You view things like Marvel movies or kind of like the made for instantaneous consumer consumption and then to be forgotten immediately.
42200:59:00,000 --> 00:59:06,000
You think that those things are bad or horrible to the art world or that people shouldn't endorse them as much as they do?
42300:59:06,000 --> 00:59:11,000
I mean, I think that people should enjoy whatever they enjoy.
42400:59:11,000 --> 00:59:19,000
I do think that the, I guess, negative consequences of something like that might not be a direct result of the films themselves.
42500:59:19,000 --> 00:59:35,000
There's certain theater chains that would, you know, because Disney essentially owns all of these properties, they would essentially blackmail a bunch of theater chains like, no, you have to be playing this in 10 screens or else we're not going to give you the license to play a Disney movie ever again.
42600:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,000
So they're just like, okay, I guess we're forced to do this.
42700:59:37,000 --> 00:59:44,000
And then some other interesting arthouse films just wouldn't be there because it's like, oh, we have to have this Marvel movie there and we have to have this many screens.
42800:59:44,000 --> 00:59:50,000
Like, we don't have many screens left for, you know, any other film that needs a bit more attention.
42900:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,000
So I think that is a harmful byproduct of it.
43000:59:53,000 --> 01:00:02,000
But the movies themselves, I mean, I can't force people to like Synecdoche, New York, and I can't force people to dislike Iron Man.
43101:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,000
So it's just a matter of me sharing my voice.
43201:00:06,000 --> 01:00:23,000
And if other people connect with it, then they might find me a valuable person to listen to for recommendations about what new films are out that maybe they might not hear from their friend or they might not hear from like other critics that exist because, you know, they might just connect with my taste more.
43301:00:23,000 --> 01:00:31,000
So I don't think it's harmful, I guess, on its own, but there are surely harmful aspects, I guess.
43401:00:31,000 --> 01:00:38,000
I read something interesting a long time ago from, I think it was one of the animators or writers or somebody that worked on shows on Adult Swim.
43501:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,000
And I'm connecting with your comment about how you can't force people to like a particular movie.
43601:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,000
And this, I wish I could remember, I need to find this so I can reread this for stream.
43701:00:46,000 --> 01:00:58,000
The take was very interesting that you can force people to like things, but in the current media environment we live in, where you can choose what to watch, that that's like a graveyard for creative thought.
43801:00:58,000 --> 01:01:03,000
And one of the arguments that he gave was on Adult Swim, you have no idea what's going to work or what's not going to work.
43901:01:03,000 --> 01:01:11,000
But what you could do on TV is you could take a really popular show that everybody loves, Aqua Team Hunger Force, and you could throw afterwards a really weird show.
44001:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,000
You have no idea if people are going to connect with it or not.
44101:01:13,000 --> 01:01:18,000
But because it's part of TV programming, people are sitting there, they're watching one show, the next show comes on, they're like, "Ah, f*ck it."
44201:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,000
And they watch it because they're kind of forced to.
44301:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,000
And wow, you know what?
44401:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,000
Some of them end up liking it, some people don't.
44501:01:22,000 --> 01:01:39,000
But because it's there as part of the programming, and it's not just like an app where you pick to rewatch The Office 50 million times, and you rewatch your favorite movie 50 million times, or you watch the 17th iteration of Uncle Ben Dying in a Spider-Man movie, that forcing people to watch things can actually make them open up their eyes in some ways.
44601:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,000
They do appreciate, but they kind of have to just be walked to it, you know?
44701:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,000
Yeah, I would just consider that to be in the same vein as marketing and advertising.
44801:01:46,000 --> 01:01:54,000
Because that's essentially what they're doing, is they're offering, "Oh, a lot of eyes on one thing," and the format of traditional television, it's just already playing.
44901:01:54,000 --> 01:02:02,000
But the same thing can exist for things like Netflix, where they can put an ad on the front page and just be like, "Oh, there's new things out," and not just bury it in 20 pages.
45001:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,000
No one's going to watch it if they don't know it exists, right?
45101:02:05,000 --> 01:02:13,000
And that's really the biggest factor when it comes to a movie's success, is knowing that it exists.
45201:02:13,000 --> 01:02:19,000
Do you think that streaming service is making movies now? Do you think that's been overall a positive contribution?
45301:02:19,000 --> 01:02:33,000
Am I hallucinating, or is there a formula for Amazon or Netflix where you take one formerly A-list, now B-list actor, and you put them in the most stock action movie ever?
45401:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,000
I'm thinking The Gray Man, I think.
45501:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,000
Yeah.
45601:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,000
Matt Damon, I think, was in one of these.
45701:02:38,000 --> 01:02:45,000
It's not a formula from streaming services. It's just a continuation of a formula that we used to see in direct-to-DVD.
45801:02:45,000 --> 01:02:46,000
Sure, okay, true.
45901:02:46,000 --> 01:02:50,000
It's the new direct-to-DVD, and it's pretty much the same thing.
46001:02:50,000 --> 01:03:01,000
And, you know, depending on the streaming service, there's, I would say, more opportunity for success or more eyes on a film through the streaming platform, rather than just direct-to-DVD.
46101:03:01,000 --> 01:03:20,000
Because now that legitimate, large, high-budget, high-profile films are being made for Netflix, Apple TV, all of these streaming services, it's not like when direct-to-DVD there was this huge disconnect of, like, this was in a theater, this wasn't.
46201:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,000
Now all of these are kind of on the same platform.
46301:03:23,000 --> 01:03:31,000
So I think maybe it gives a little bit more eyes to those smaller projects. Not saying that those smaller projects are inherently good, but, yeah.
46401:03:31,000 --> 01:03:46,000
I think the best thing that people can do is to try and find people that you trust with film recommendations or film takes, or directors that you trust, or just people that work on a project that they trust.
46501:03:46,000 --> 01:03:55,000
Unfortunately, the average filmgoer, we're talking average filmgoer, a lot of the time, people just have no idea who directed a movie.
46601:03:55,000 --> 01:03:59,000
They have no idea who wrote a movie, they just know the star that is in it.
46701:03:59,000 --> 01:04:10,000
And if Hugh Jackman's on the poster, that might influence, because someone has seen a few other Hugh Jackman films, and they've been like, "Oh, this might be exactly like the other things that I've seen," and they want something familiar.
46801:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,000
And there's nothing inherently wrong with that, because everybody's getting different experiences out of art.
46901:04:14,000 --> 01:04:22,000
Some people are just looking to turn off their brains. There's plenty of times where I've not wanted to engage with something, and I'm like, "I'm just gonna watch a f*cking reality show."
47001:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,000
I don't want to watch anything real right now.
47101:04:25,000 --> 01:04:41,000
But yeah, if there is an appetite for more challenging films, and if people do want to see greater art, especially, especially if you're a person that says there's no good movies in this current year, or this current generation,
47201:04:41,000 --> 01:04:46,000
you're not watching the right movies. Hundreds of Beavers is out right now. I'm gonna pimp this out every f*cking day.
47301:04:46,000 --> 01:04:55,000
Hundreds of Beavers is out on Apple, like iTunes or whatever they call it, in Canada, US, and Mexico, and it's out on Amazon in the States.
47401:04:55,000 --> 01:04:59,000
It's one of the best movies ever, it's one of the highest rated movies on Letterboxd this year.
47501:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,000
Everybody's f*cking loving it, it's a blast.
47601:05:01,000 --> 01:05:09,000
So, I want to hear from people in this chat at some point saying that they watched that movie, because then I know I'm doing my job.
47701:05:09,000 --> 01:05:17,000
Do you think, I agree with you about the actor thing, like I joked about Iron Man, Iron Man 2, like I actually, I like Iron Man and Iron Man 2, but I have no idea who directed those movies.
47801:05:17,000 --> 01:05:21,000
And it's probably gonna be the case for a lot of movies that I do enjoy, with some exceptions.
47901:05:21,000 --> 01:05:29,000
How do you feel when people bring up names like Nolan and Tarantino, do you think it's good that these particular directors have so much name recognition?
48001:05:29,000 --> 01:05:33,000
Like everybody wants to see the next Nolan or Tarantino movie, do you think it's become a bit gimmicky?
48101:05:33,000 --> 01:05:43,000
Yeah, it's kind of interesting because I think to some extent there has to be a level of mass public appeal to their films, but also a level of consistency.
48201:05:43,000 --> 01:05:56,000
Because there's directors that have made hit after hit after hit, but you watch their films and it doesn't really feel like they have a voice, like you wouldn't be able to just watch it and be like, oh yeah, this is one of, I'm blanking on a name, but there's plenty of examples.
48301:05:56,000 --> 01:06:11,000
Just director for hire type films, whereas Quentin Tarantino, Christopher Nolan, and even smaller directors like Wes Anderson, they're kind of becoming household names just because they're consistent in their style, and people go, oh, I want to see more of this type of thing that I like.
48401:06:11,000 --> 01:06:18,000
And I think that they're offering, you know, even if their films are different, they're offering things that at least connect with the people that enjoyed their previous work.
48501:06:18,000 --> 01:06:31,000
So I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I would say there's a lot of better artists out there and a lot of smaller artists, and the people that need more help I would like to see get more attention.
48601:06:31,000 --> 01:06:43,000
Christopher Nolan can fund any movie he wants to. He's not going to get studio notes. He can just ask for a huge chunk of hundreds of millions of dollars and then just say, I want to make a thing, and he gets to make a thing.
48701:06:43,000 --> 01:06:55,000
And meanwhile, Charlie Kaufman is struggling to get some low budget projects funded, and it's upsetting. So I would like to just help out the smaller creators, the talented smaller creators anyway.
48801:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,000
Do you know how much these movies cost to make? Any idea?
48901:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,000
Christopher Nolan's?
49001:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,000
No, no, no.
49101:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,000
Charlie Kaufman's?
49201:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,000
Because I'm pretty sure those are hundreds of millions. Yeah, Charlie Kaufman's.
49301:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,000
Yeah, I think Synecdoche might have been like 10 million.
49401:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,000
Okay.
49501:07:07,000 --> 01:07:27,000
I think I'm thinking of ending things which came after that might have been less. That might have been just a few million. I would say around the 10 million range for like a really, one of his more ambitious films, and then I don't know what his highest budget film would be, but there's definitely not in the hundreds of millions for sure.
49601:07:27,000 --> 01:07:41,000
Do you think there's a value in, I've heard people argue for mid-budget films, this idea between like this like one to 15 million dollar price range is enough to experiment and do a lot of cool stuff without a studio having to stake out like a quarter billion dollar risk on somebody?
49701:07:41,000 --> 01:07:59,000
Yeah, because then the notes that studios give to artists is often times a result of them just being like we need to make a return on investment. You need to follow the checklist. This is the proven checklist. For a while it was just do this, you know, put the name Marvel or Star Wars on it.
49801:07:59,000 --> 01:08:20,000
And then the past year of Disney is like oh, they can't really rely on that anymore. It looks like they're spending way too much money putting content out way too frequently, and there's no voice to it. There's no real artistry to it. There's not enough different voices or different talented people that are being allowed to do creative things, and so that's kind of harming them.
49901:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,000
Is the last year of Disney been rough for them?
50001:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,000
I think so, yeah.
50101:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,000
Okay.
50201:08:24,000 --> 01:08:46,000
Yeah, they've had a lot of flaws, sorry, flops in a row. So I don't know if they've made up for it in terms of like streaming service subscribers, but part of their business model and also the fact that people are subscribed to this thing and they're expecting the movie to come out later than anyway might have impacted their theatrical sales. They've had a lot of theatrical flops in the past year.
50301:08:46,000 --> 01:08:59,000
I don't know if I'm hallucinating this or if I just don't pay attention to stuff closely. Maybe it's always been like this. I feel like when things would come out in theaters, you'd have like this half year delay before it would hit digital. I feel like it's happening in a matter of weeks now. Am I making that up or?
50401:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,000
It depends on the movie.
50501:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,000
Okay.
50601:09:01,000 --> 01:09:07,000
It depends on the movie. The only ones that, we'll see. That's not incorrect.
50701:09:07,000 --> 01:09:15,000
I don't know if it's due in two or so. There are some movies where I feel like I just saw this in theaters and it's like on YouTube like for purchase, and I'm like Jesus, that's like wild to me.
50801:09:15,000 --> 01:09:27,000
I mean, I think that they probably try to gauge it based on whichever movie it is and if they feel like they can kind of ride the momentum of, you know, everybody when they see a movie now is just posting about it on social media, right?
50901:09:27,000 --> 01:09:46,000
So even successful movies that aren't necessarily like, oh, we got to take it out of theaters because it's tanking, will wind up being available just on iTunes, Apple, YouTube, Amazon, etc. Just because that's how the industry is shifting and because that's making up a more significant portion of the revenue that films are generating.
51001:09:46,000 --> 01:09:56,000
Do you feel strongly about the movie experience, like going to a theater? Or do you not care? Do you think people watch it on cell phones or on monitors in their computer rooms?
51101:09:56,000 --> 01:10:05,000
Yeah, I don't. If whatever way someone wants to watch a movie, I'm not going to take like a huge issue with. I'm not like a purist like, oh, you can't watch it on your phone.
51201:10:05,000 --> 01:10:14,000
I don't know. These movies are available on VHS and that wasn't... Phones look a lot better than VHS, especially if you're listening with good headphones at this point.
51301:10:14,000 --> 01:10:21,000
So if we weren't willing to say that VHS was not an acceptable way to watch a movie and that was not a pure experience, like, I don't know.
51401:10:21,000 --> 01:10:35,000
But, you know, it's some people want to experience art in different ways. If the way you want to experience art is in a social setting and you're like chatting with your friends a bit throughout the movie, that's a perfectly valid way to experience a movie.
51501:10:35,000 --> 01:10:44,000
But I would argue that, you know, certain films, you know, like that that are commanding a bit more of your attention that you kind of need to be paying more attention to.
51601:10:44,000 --> 01:10:50,000
So you might get less out of those experiences or you might just want to watch it a second time and try to pick up more about it.
51701:10:50,000 --> 01:10:56,000
But I don't think that there's a necessarily wrong way to watch a movie, in my opinion.
51801:10:56,000 --> 01:11:06,000
Interesting. I feel like there is a value to the ritual itself. It's fun stepping into the theater, buying popcorn, sitting down, the trailers, everything quiet.
51901:11:06,000 --> 01:11:13,000
I still feel like there's a value to the physical space that something occupies. I happen to have a nice, like, decently large TV and a decently large sound system.
52001:11:13,000 --> 01:11:20,000
So watching that Synecdoche movie was fun, but I feel like it would be a lot to sit and watch that in theaters.
52101:11:20,000 --> 01:11:24,000
I feel like would be there's like this. Maybe this is like a little cringe or a little meta.
52201:11:24,000 --> 01:11:32,000
But when you've watched like a really powerful movie, I think when the credits roll and like nobody gets up, nobody's standing, nobody's leaving, everybody's just kind of there.
52301:11:32,000 --> 01:11:38,000
And you can all tell that you like, oof, that was a lot. Yeah, there are definitely movies that I've really enjoyed watching in theaters.
52401:11:38,000 --> 01:11:42,000
And that experience has been really special that I feel like I wouldn't have gotten the same out of watching at home.
52501:11:42,000 --> 01:11:46,000
But I mean, like maybe that experience is just like a separate fun experience. It's not integral to the movie itself.
52601:11:46,000 --> 01:11:51,000
And it's just like a separate thing. But there's there's pros and cons for sure. It depends on the audiences, depends on the theater.
52701:11:51,000 --> 01:12:04,000
I try to avoid like you generally my experience has shown that if you're watching a movie and the theater is in a mall and it's a horror movie.
52801:12:04,000 --> 01:12:17,000
Probably the worst audiences, bunch of teenagers who were literally just hanging out at the mall, not because they wanted to see a movie and are now in the movie because they wanted to kill time and are now talking through the movie because they want to prove to their girlfriend that they're tough and they're not actually they're not actually scared.
52901:12:17,000 --> 01:12:30,000
Right. So those are generally bad audiences. But film festivals like TIFF, my favorite film festival, Toronto Film Festival, generally like very, very respectful audiences and very engaged audiences as well.
53001:12:30,000 --> 01:12:40,000
There's an energy to the crowd and you can really tell that everybody's just there because they want to be and they're they're loving what they're experiencing, which is always just a great environment and a great festival.
53101:12:40,000 --> 01:13:00,000
Yeah, there is there is a valuable experience to it, but I don't feel I don't necessarily feel as though I often say that I wish that I could have seen a movie in theaters unless it's a particular type of comedy that I would have loved to experience with a laughing crowd.
53201:13:00,000 --> 01:13:14,000
Sometimes I felt that way about it. And then other times I felt like just purely for the sake of the film's distribution, like, why did this go to Hulu? It should have had a theatrical release because I like the director and I wish that they would have gotten more success out of it and had a bit more longevity out of the release.
53301:13:14,000 --> 01:13:21,000
Yeah, I don't know if it was Scorsese or Fincher. I remember somebody gave like an angry rambling about watching a movie on your phone.
53401:13:21,000 --> 01:13:22,000
That was David Lynch.
53501:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,000
Oh, was it Lynch?
53601:13:23,000 --> 01:13:24,000
Yeah, he's done it a couple of times. He's funny.
53701:13:24,000 --> 01:13:25,000
OK, OK.
53801:13:25,000 --> 01:13:30,000
But he's like he's a purist in so many ways that he's a fun, crazy old gook.
53901:13:30,000 --> 01:13:37,000
When you talk about purists, you have a strong feeling. I think Tarantino does a lot between like digital versus like film.
54001:13:37,000 --> 01:13:58,000
I mean, it's whatever. There's a lot of films that exist that are still emulating older styles and shoot on digital for practical and budgetary reasons. And then we'll even do something like, you know, shoot in color and then remove the color in post and have it black and white.
54101:13:58,000 --> 01:14:09,000
The White Ribbon by Michelle Honecker. Like if you if you know what to look for, you can tell it's digital, but it still doesn't like I don't feel like I'm not in the time period because it's a digital movie.
54201:14:09,000 --> 01:14:23,000
I mean, like to some extent, the idea of watching a film and having changing angles and all the technology associated with that, like that's not real in the film's universe, at least depending on the film.
54301:14:23,000 --> 01:14:29,000
So there is I've definitely seen a value in terms of shooting on film for stylistic purposes.
54401:14:29,000 --> 01:14:41,000
And if there's directors that really want to, you know, champion that, especially as a way of screening films, I'm glad to see that there are some directors that are really like trying to keep it alive because I don't know.
54501:14:41,000 --> 01:14:53,000
Once Quentin Tarantino is not really in the business anymore, I don't know how many more people you're going to be able to get to watch films in like an actual film projected screening.
54601:14:53,000 --> 01:15:00,000
I guess Christopher Nolan did the 70 millimeter IMAX of a few films and maybe Denis Villeneuve could do it.
54701:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,000
But I mean, a lot of those films are still shot on digital.
54801:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,000
And then what? Just transfer to film for the.
54901:15:07,000 --> 01:15:12,000
Yeah. Yeah. Depending on the film, I would have to look it up and.
55001:15:12,000 --> 01:15:17,000
OK. OK. Lighter stuff.
55101:15:17,000 --> 01:15:21,000
I need you to validate some of my opinions, OK? Sweet.
55201:15:21,000 --> 01:15:25,000
Let's do it. What? The first streamable under bad movie takes.
55301:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,000
These are supposed to be labeled really good movie takes. But.
55401:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,000
Oh, so this is these are movie takes that you've had that people think are best. A few.
55501:15:31,000 --> 01:15:37,000
I want to I want to I want to see how you feel about them. Before we do that, though. OK.
55601:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,000
Do you do a lot of political research? Oh, boy.
55701:15:40,000 --> 01:15:44,000
And things that I feel directly impact my life. I did.
55801:15:44,000 --> 01:15:48,000
I did a lot of like covered research because I was like, OK, sh*t's going down here.
55901:15:48,000 --> 01:15:52,000
I want to know what's happening to the best of my ability and not like maybe die.
56001:15:52,000 --> 01:15:55,000
Well, you know what? If you wanted to know what's happening, the best your ability.
56101:15:55,000 --> 01:16:08,000
Maybe you should check out check dot ground dot news slash Bridges podcast, because this is a new site that gathers a whole bunch of different publications together under one site shows you a different people reported the same thing.
56201:16:08,000 --> 01:16:13,000
Allows you to go through and compare one article to the next. And it keeps with all the current events.
56301:16:13,000 --> 01:16:19,000
And wow, what a great ground news site. Check dot ground dot news slash Bridges podcast.
56401:16:19,000 --> 01:16:25,000
You know, you can check them out in the future if you need. I think I will be updated on things.
56501:16:25,000 --> 01:16:29,000
OK, I don't watch many movies, so be nice to me. OK.
56601:16:29,000 --> 01:16:33,000
Have you seen Band of Brothers? No, it's garbage.
56701:16:33,000 --> 01:16:37,000
I would never waste my time. How many more World War two things do we really need to watch?
56801:16:37,000 --> 01:16:43,000
OK, we got it. The Nazis were bad. They kill people. We get it. OK.
56901:16:43,000 --> 01:16:49,000
Get over it. Exactly. Satire, satire, everybody. Sorry.
57001:16:49,000 --> 01:16:53,000
Point to clarify. Not getting clipped, Jim. All right. You guys ready?
57101:16:53,000 --> 01:17:00,000
Sure. Oh, so we're getting video footage of the takes. Video footage. I'm so happy. We live, baby. All right.
57201:17:00,000 --> 01:17:05,000
Couldn't believe it. I was like, it's not going to be as bad as Dunkirk.
57301:17:05,000 --> 01:17:10,000
Probably won't be as good as like Inception, which is Nolan's best movie, by the way.
57401:17:10,000 --> 01:17:15,000
So I'm like shooting for like Interstellar maybe around there because I've heard a lot of hype.
57501:17:15,000 --> 01:17:23,000
OK, I'm shooting for Interstellar. Maybe it's Interstellar good. And man, what just like a what a dog sh*t f*cking movie.
57601:17:23,000 --> 01:17:28,000
What a dog sh*t f*cking movie. All right. We get it. I couldn't believe it.
57701:17:28,000 --> 01:17:35,000
OK. This movie got a lot of awards. All right. Oppenheimer. OK. All right.
57801:17:35,000 --> 01:17:40,000
Follow me for a second. OK. You're the movie guy. Walk me through this. Yes. Not a movie guy.
57901:17:40,000 --> 01:17:44,000
This is my this is my feeling. All right. About Christopher Nolan. OK.
58001:17:44,000 --> 01:17:49,000
I feel like for his early movies, I feel like he trusted the actors more.
58101:17:49,000 --> 01:17:55,000
He was comfortable holding a camera on an actor, letting them act, letting them convey a feeling to the audience,
58201:17:55,000 --> 01:17:59,000
relying on their abilities and the writing to take us from scene to scene.
58301:17:59,000 --> 01:18:03,000
I think Memento is a really good example of this. I think the Prestige is a pretty good example of this.
58401:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,000
And I feel like we've kind of talked about this before.
58501:18:06,000 --> 01:18:18,000
The there's this like I call this like a Marvel editing technique where you have the entire movie is like you're sucked along in this like music,
58601:18:18,000 --> 01:18:23,000
edit movie line, like quotable line and the next scene.
58701:18:23,000 --> 01:18:32,000
And there is never an actual moment where you're like the actors are allowed to act and you've got longer shots where you're getting emotions and feelings.
58801:18:32,000 --> 01:18:37,000
And you're like the movie is almost being told through the editing, which is very intense.
58901:18:37,000 --> 01:18:44,000
And I felt like Oppenheimer was the worst example or maybe best example of like Nolan doing that in a film to where there were big scenes.
59001:18:44,000 --> 01:18:50,000
I think when his ex-girlfriend dies, where it's all of like 20 seconds to get that and process it and move on.
59101:18:50,000 --> 01:18:56,000
Or he has like a son who he mentions for like one scene and then two scenes later, he's six years old.
59201:18:56,000 --> 01:19:01,000
I feel like the emotional conveying on like Nolan films has gotten significantly worse.
59301:19:01,000 --> 01:19:05,000
And I feel like Oppenheimer is a big do you think that that take is defensible or do you think would you disagree?
59401:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,000
I'm not viewing it correctly. There's another way to look at it.
59501:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,000
I think I don't I don't disagree too hard.
59601:19:10,000 --> 01:19:18,000
I would say that I'm not I'm not sure I would categorize it as him having like less faith in his actors at this point.
59701:19:18,000 --> 01:19:26,000
I would say. The challenge of something like Oppenheimer is when you're constructing it, especially with it being a real life person,
59801:19:26,000 --> 01:19:33,000
and he's not only just trying to talk about like the creation of the bomb, but then he's talking about this whole other side story with, you know,
59901:19:33,000 --> 01:19:38,000
I'm not a huge history buff, but, you know, Downey Jr.'s character, forget his name, real life.
60001:19:38,000 --> 01:19:44,000
But Strauss. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Strauss. And so he's trying to communicate all these ideas at once.
60101:19:44,000 --> 01:19:50,000
There's a lot of a huge time period over the course of these ideas taking place narratively in the film.
60201:19:50,000 --> 01:20:01,000
And so I could see why that could present a unique challenge in terms of how you're going to structure the film and how you're going to write it and how you're going to present it.
60301:20:01,000 --> 01:20:10,000
I still feel as though it might just be because he is such a big name now and that he isn't getting as many notes and he can do whatever he wants.
60401:20:10,000 --> 01:20:15,000
And it might just be more of a him thing and not enough other collaborators.
60501:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,000
Like maybe there needs to be one more cook in the kitchen. I'm not sure.
60601:20:18,000 --> 01:20:25,000
I feel like when you bring up the not trusting the actors acting, there is I think that music works is a very good exclamation mark.
60701:20:25,000 --> 01:20:29,000
I can really sell or drive home something that you're seeing.
60801:20:29,000 --> 01:20:33,000
But I feel like maybe I'd have to go back and up and maybe my impression is not correct.
60901:20:33,000 --> 01:20:38,000
But I feel like when you've got background music driving almost every single scene, I like never really don't like that.
61001:20:38,000 --> 01:20:42,000
It feels way too aggressive to me. I guess it was incredibly aggressive.
61101:20:42,000 --> 01:20:48,000
And it took me a little bit to get used to it when I realized it like, OK, the movie is doing this.
61201:20:48,000 --> 01:20:53,000
This is a weird, interesting choice. I was like, oh, is this like like a Terrence Malick film?
61301:20:53,000 --> 01:21:02,000
Like, I don't know what's going on here. But it was it was almost unlike any other Christopher Nolan film in that sense, because it was just edited essentially like it was a trailer.
61401:21:02,000 --> 01:21:07,000
And I was kind of confused, but I got used to it after a while and just thought, like, oh, I guess this is the whole movie.
61501:21:07,000 --> 01:21:12,000
But then they dropped it halfway through the movie and then you got a lot more.
61601:21:12,000 --> 01:21:19,000
There were some scenes where it's like, oh, there's the actors given a chance to perform their line or like you can get a chance to absorb something.
61701:21:19,000 --> 01:21:23,000
And it became a bit more of a traditional narrative. And then it turned into a trailer again for a while.
61801:21:23,000 --> 01:21:28,000
And I just like I felt like the lack of consistency was was bothering me a bit with it.
61901:21:28,000 --> 01:21:34,000
Like if this is the type of movie you want to make and you do want to make something that's like really weird, edited like a trailer sort of thing, like go for it.
62001:21:34,000 --> 01:21:38,000
But I just it was it was a very odd choice.
62101:21:38,000 --> 01:21:45,000
And for the entirety of the film, I'm not sure that it worked when it comes to the music, though.
62201:21:45,000 --> 01:21:50,000
I will point out I didn't have much of an issue with the actual score.
62301:21:50,000 --> 01:21:55,000
And there was one part in the movie. I forget exactly what line was said.
62401:21:55,000 --> 01:22:00,000
I think maybe somebody died or something, but they hit Oppenheimer and his wife, girlfriend.
62501:22:00,000 --> 01:22:04,000
I don't remember. There are two people outside. It was kind of like low lit and some trees.
62601:22:04,000 --> 01:22:17,000
It was like sitting by the rocker. Yeah, the rock. And during that point in the film, the soundtrack did this really cliched sounding like piano melody.
62701:22:17,000 --> 01:22:21,000
And I was like, what the why are you doing this? That sounds like every other thing.
62801:22:21,000 --> 01:22:32,000
And then when I was about to talk about it in my review, I went through the entire released OST to try and find that point to showcase as an example.
62901:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,000
I couldn't find it. I was like, OK, well, wait, did I remember wrong?
63001:22:35,000 --> 01:22:44,000
And so sometimes when I'm trying to figure out if something actually happened in a movie that's in theaters, all reference like a camera just so I can be like, OK, did this happen or didn't it?
63101:22:44,000 --> 01:22:54,000
And it did happen in the movie. So what must have happened was that the editor of the film took up, took another part of the score from somewhere else in the film,
63201:22:54,000 --> 01:23:06,000
preemptively ended the piano note early artificially and then stuck it in that scene and made something that sounded like really cliched, which was kind of annoying because it's like, well, Ludwig didn't score that part.
63301:23:06,000 --> 01:23:17,000
He just took another part of the score and then made it sound really, really like kind of formulated and really manipulative in a way where it seemed like the composer didn't do that.
63401:23:17,000 --> 01:23:22,000
And in that sense, and then along with a lot of the other editing in the film, I don't I don't love the editing.
63501:23:22,000 --> 01:23:32,000
I think the editing kind of hurts the movie. Yeah, I think there's a better movie based on what was filmed in the editing room floor, maybe cut out a bunch.
63601:23:32,000 --> 01:23:37,000
It was a little longer than it needed to be. But yeah, and wait, it felt like way too many.
63701:23:37,000 --> 01:23:43,000
It reminds me of the every frame of painting review of like J.J. Abrams, where he tries to make every single or no, no, it was Michael Bay.
63801:23:43,000 --> 01:23:53,000
I think tries to make every shot like so epic. Yeah, there were so many like wide shots of like the characters like staring off into space or like giving like what's supposed to be the most epic f*cking line in the world.
63901:23:53,000 --> 01:24:06,000
Like over and over and over again. And I'm like, oh, my God, I think that there's certain there's certain ways that films can be presented that are very, very, very emotionally effective.
64001:24:06,000 --> 01:24:18,000
And we could even use the word manipulative if we wanted to that. I think that a lot of films that I feel this particular way about where it's like, oh, wow, like everybody's like really into it.
64101:24:18,000 --> 01:24:25,000
And I can understand why and I see what the film is doing, but it feels also like borderline cynical and how it's doing it.
64201:24:25,000 --> 01:24:30,000
But, you know, every line written is just like this is the most important line in the world.
64301:24:30,000 --> 01:24:41,000
As if you're watching top 50 greatest performance on YouTube compilation and it's all just men saying serious things and yelling or whatever.
64401:24:41,000 --> 01:24:49,000
Like, oh, I didn't know this. And it's just going for like this very, very aggressive, very hard tone that works really well for people.
64501:24:49,000 --> 01:24:56,000
But sometimes the way I feel about these sorts of movies is like, is this the type of thing where people are watching it now where this seems fine?
64601:24:56,000 --> 01:25:02,000
But we might look back at this retrospectively 20 years ago and kind of go like, oh, that's kind of she is.
64701:25:02,000 --> 01:25:09,000
I don't know, because it's difficult to tell in the time period. I also think that I think the A&B plot didn't work.
64801:25:09,000 --> 01:25:14,000
I didn't like the two plots juxtaposed to each other because I didn't feel like people.
64901:25:14,000 --> 01:25:20,000
I feel like people sometimes use a lot of meta information to say, like, oh, this is why it's important that he's going to lose his security clearance and blah, blah, blah.
65001:25:20,000 --> 01:25:26,000
But I feel like the movie didn't sell me why I should care at all. Like in one sense, I got like the bomb that's going off that I know intuitively, like it's a big bomb.
65101:25:26,000 --> 01:25:30,000
It's going to kill a lot of people. That's really important. And is it going to work or not? And World War Two, that's important.
65201:25:30,000 --> 01:25:37,000
And then there's this whole second part that I feel like doesn't mirror the themes, because usually A&B plots, even if they're totally different, they kind of mirror the themes of each.
65301:25:37,000 --> 01:25:40,000
I feel like they didn't do that that much. They didn't feel like they played off each other.
65401:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,000
And then they had that, like, huge twist where, like, Strauss was like the secret bad guy.
65501:25:43,000 --> 01:25:49,000
And that seems like it was supposed to be a big deal. And I'm like, I don't know if I even care about any of this, but it's like the second half of the movie.
65601:25:49,000 --> 01:25:55,000
And I'm like, I'm not sure Strauss was necessary. Yeah, but it was like there was a big twist.
65701:25:55,000 --> 01:26:00,000
And then like the whole reveal and his exposition of his evil plot to bring down Oppenheimer and everything in Congress.
65801:26:00,000 --> 01:26:05,000
And then there was like the scenes at the table where Oppenheimer's wife is actually like secretly like really baller.
65901:26:05,000 --> 01:26:12,000
And it's like, but like it's I felt I felt like there was a lot of information in the movie that was repeated without adding anything to the stakes of it.
66001:26:12,000 --> 01:26:16,000
And just more or less repeated as kind of a reinforcement of something that we already knew.
66101:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,000
And it's still offering that same tone again that a lot of people seem to really connect with.
66201:26:19,000 --> 01:26:28,000
But, yeah, I was just I was just I was not connected to half the movie, but another half of the movie, not any, you know, specifically one half.
66301:26:28,000 --> 01:26:32,000
But I did connect with a lot of what it was doing artistically.
66401:26:32,000 --> 01:26:37,000
You know, the bomb scene and the audio choices, the sound design choices were really good in that scene as well.
66501:26:37,000 --> 01:26:48,000
And the way things were filmed, a lot of the performances. One thing I was kind of weirded out by was like it felt kind of Marvel movie esque in terms of how many, like, cameos.
66601:26:48,000 --> 01:26:53,000
Appearances there were like it's how many different like every single actor that existed was kind of in it.
66701:26:53,000 --> 01:27:00,000
Yeah, I was going to bring that up. This is one of the first movies I've seen where I was like distracted by the number of celebrity appearances.
66801:27:00,000 --> 01:27:03,000
Yeah. And I was like, really? Holy sh*t. There were. Yeah.
66901:27:03,000 --> 01:27:06,000
There were so many people showing up that the guy from the boys was there.
67001:27:06,000 --> 01:27:11,000
Like there were so many people that just show up and aren't really necessary.
67101:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,000
Like they're just kind of showing up to show up. Yeah.
67201:27:13,000 --> 01:27:17,000
A lot of people that didn't really have any real impact on the story.
67301:27:17,000 --> 01:27:21,000
Yeah. One thing I know you see, you weren't like a huge fan of this movie, which is fine. I'll forgive it.
67401:27:21,000 --> 01:27:26,000
The 1917 movie. One thing that I liked that they did in kind of a meta way.
67501:27:26,000 --> 01:27:29,000
Initially, I didn't like it. And then I read an explanation for it. And I actually really liked it.
67601:27:29,000 --> 01:27:34,000
The movie was largely carried by two, I think, largely unknown actors in the United States.
67701:27:34,000 --> 01:27:40,000
Or they weren't like super famous A-list actors. Every time they ran into a general or somebody, it was played by an A or B list actor.
67801:27:40,000 --> 01:27:44,000
Like Jason Statham, I think. Jason Statham? Does he?
67901:27:44,000 --> 01:27:48,000
No, no, no. It's not. It's a guy that reminds me of him. The first general guy or whatever.
68001:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,000
I don't remember. I took that movie and went, "Boop."
68101:27:50,000 --> 01:27:54,000
Whatever. f*ck you. Benedict Cumberbatch, I think, was in the end. I think it was one of the people.
68201:27:54,000 --> 01:27:58,000
There were like three major celebrities that were in the movie for very short periods of time.
68301:27:58,000 --> 01:28:06,000
But I thought it was interesting that the goal of the casting of those celebs was that in the wars, you hear about all the generals and these huge, large-in-life figures.
68401:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,000
Yeah. Implied importance.
68501:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,000
I thought that was a cute, interesting way to cast celebs.
68601:28:10,000 --> 01:28:14,000
I'll also point out just about Oppenheimer. I don't hate the movie.
68701:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,000
That's okay. You basically do. We got it.
68801:28:16,000 --> 01:28:25,000
I think that you have a lot of valid criticisms, but my overall assessment of everything together, my emotional experience, I wasn't as pissed off about it.
68901:28:25,000 --> 01:28:32,000
There's some movies where I might have the exact same criticisms, but just emotionally, just be like, "Oh, this is bullsh*t. I don't f*cking hate it."
69001:28:32,000 --> 01:28:33,000
Yeah.
69101:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,000
Yeah. It really just depends on the movie and really depends on the person.
69201:28:36,000 --> 01:28:42,000
Okay. I think in this next clip, I can't watch too many clips myself. I'm sorry, Kayla. It's hard. Okay?
69301:28:42,000 --> 01:28:48,000
But I think in this next clip, I call out three movies that I think every single human being should like. Okay?
69401:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,000
Like forced to like?
69501:28:50,000 --> 01:28:51,000
They just should.
69601:28:51,000 --> 01:28:52,000
Mandatory.
69701:28:52,000 --> 01:28:56,000
No, like they should watch it and if they have humanity in them, they'll like these movies. Okay?
69801:28:56,000 --> 01:28:57,000
No humanity if they don't.
69901:28:57,000 --> 01:28:58,000
Correct.
70001:28:58,000 --> 01:28:59,000
Okay.
70101:28:59,000 --> 01:29:03,000
Number one. f*ck it. Play the clip. Just play it.
70201:29:03,000 --> 01:29:07,000
f*ck. Hey, listen to myself. Not this one.
70301:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,000
That was the next one.
70401:29:09,000 --> 01:29:13,000
I know. She put the same one twice. It's Destiny top three movies everyone should like. Okay?
70501:29:13,000 --> 01:29:16,000
Okay. All right. Top three movies everyone should like. Yeah, it's this one.
70601:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,000
Literally everyone.
70701:29:17,000 --> 01:29:20,000
Everyone should like these three movies.
70801:29:20,000 --> 01:29:29,000
Pause it for one second.
70901:29:29,000 --> 01:29:30,000
A major issue.
71001:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,000
Hold on. I'm hyperbolic in everything I say. Okay?
71101:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,000
I know.
71201:29:33,000 --> 01:29:34,000
You know that. Okay. Go ahead.
71301:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,000
I know.
71401:29:35,000 --> 01:29:38,000
Some of your fans are going to watch this and think I'm like a serious movie commentator with strong opinions.
71501:29:38,000 --> 01:29:39,000
But go ahead. No.
71601:29:39,000 --> 01:29:40,000
Yeah.
71701:29:40,000 --> 01:29:56,000
They can't hear it, Ligon.
71801:29:56,000 --> 01:30:03,000
Such movies. Number one. No particular order. This isn't three best. One, two, three. Just no. Okay.
71901:30:03,000 --> 01:30:04,000
Can they hear it now?
72001:30:04,000 --> 01:30:08,000
Number one. Okay. Okay. Pirates of the Caribbean. The first one.
72101:30:08,000 --> 01:30:09,000
Pause it.
72201:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,000
What a good movie. Great performances.
72301:30:11,000 --> 01:30:12,000
That's a great movie.
72401:30:12,000 --> 01:30:13,000
I well, I mean.
72501:30:13,000 --> 01:30:14,000
Oh my God.
72601:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,000
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
72701:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,000
The first Pirates.
72801:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,000
Yeah.
72901:30:18,000 --> 01:30:19,000
All right.
73001:30:19,000 --> 01:30:24,000
So I was going to say I'm safe for this one because I don't have major issues with it.
73101:30:24,000 --> 01:30:29,000
But I wouldn't I would not put it in my litmus test for a human being.
73201:30:29,000 --> 01:30:33,000
What foundation could you not like Pirates of the Caribbean?
73301:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,000
Not liking pirates? I don't know.
73401:30:35,000 --> 01:30:36,000
I don't like pirates.
73501:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,000
Maybe you had a bad experience with a pirate.
73601:30:38,000 --> 01:30:41,000
What if you were in the year 2024?
73701:30:41,000 --> 01:30:42,000
Yeah. Somali pirates.
73801:30:42,000 --> 01:30:47,000
Okay. If you're if you were part of the recent Houthi abduction and you don't like Pirates of the Caribbean.
73901:30:47,000 --> 01:30:50,000
If you've had a personal bad experience with a pirate. Fine.
74001:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,000
Okay. I'll get.
74101:30:51,000 --> 01:30:54,000
What if you're Amber Heard and you don't like Johnny Depp?
74201:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,000
Okay. Or if you've got personal bad relationships or experiences with Johnny Depp.
74301:30:57,000 --> 01:30:58,000
Fine. Okay.
74401:30:58,000 --> 01:30:59,000
Those are the two groups of people.
74501:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,000
But I remember liking the movie and I would like to see it again.
74601:31:01,000 --> 01:31:03,000
I love.
74701:31:03,000 --> 01:31:04,000
Ooh, what's his name?
74801:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,000
f*ck.
74901:31:06,000 --> 01:31:07,000
Love the director.
75001:31:07,000 --> 01:31:08,000
Gore Verbinski.
75101:31:08,000 --> 01:31:09,000
Okay.
75201:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,000
You guys don't know this, but off camera.
75301:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,000
The reason why Adam is already poisoned against this movie.
75401:31:13,000 --> 01:31:17,000
I asked him and it's because he says he's watched the CinemaSins on it like 17 times.
75501:31:17,000 --> 01:31:20,000
And he thinks it's one of the most valid critiques he's ever seen of pirates.
75601:31:20,000 --> 01:31:21,000
So that's why he's a little hesitant.
75701:31:21,000 --> 01:31:22,000
That's where I go to for my movie opinions.
75801:31:22,000 --> 01:31:23,000
Yeah. Okay.
75901:31:23,000 --> 01:31:26,000
So if you want to just if you want the best movie opinions, just don't even subscribe to my channel.
76001:31:26,000 --> 01:31:27,000
Just go to CinemaSins.
76101:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,000
Then cut out the middleman.
76201:31:29,000 --> 01:31:30,000
Next one.
76301:31:30,000 --> 01:31:33,000
Well shot.
76401:31:33,000 --> 01:31:34,000
It's a tight plot.
76501:31:34,000 --> 01:31:35,000
We got it.
76601:31:35,000 --> 01:31:36,000
Johnny Depp is best.
76701:31:36,000 --> 01:31:37,000
Yep.
76801:31:37,000 --> 01:31:38,000
Side character as they should.
76901:31:38,000 --> 01:31:39,000
Just awesome.
77001:31:39,000 --> 01:31:40,000
Great movie.
77101:31:40,000 --> 01:31:41,000
Number one.
77201:31:41,000 --> 01:31:42,000
Pirates of the Caribbean, number one.
77301:31:42,000 --> 01:31:45,000
An amazingly fun, awesome, great movie.
77401:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,000
Awesome soundtrack.
77501:31:46,000 --> 01:31:47,000
Oh, the soundtrack.
77601:31:47,000 --> 01:31:48,000
That's Hans Zimmer.
77701:31:48,000 --> 01:31:49,000
Yeah.
77801:31:49,000 --> 01:31:50,000
Making real music.
77901:31:50,000 --> 01:31:51,000
Yeah.
78001:31:51,000 --> 01:31:52,000
Not background soundtrack.
78101:31:52,000 --> 01:31:53,000
That's a great theme.
78201:31:53,000 --> 01:31:54,000
It is.
78301:31:54,000 --> 01:31:55,000
That's why I won't do the whole thing.
78401:31:55,000 --> 01:31:56,000
Yeah.
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Demonetized.
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But that's okay.
78701:31:58,000 --> 01:31:59,000
Yeah.
78801:31:59,000 --> 01:32:00,000
Very memorable.
78901:32:00,000 --> 01:32:01,000
I love when movies have themes.
79001:32:01,000 --> 01:32:02,000
So real quick, interrupt.
79101:32:02,000 --> 01:32:03,000
Have you seen Gladiator?
79201:32:03,000 --> 01:32:04,000
Maybe a long time ago.
79301:32:04,000 --> 01:32:05,000
I don't remember.
79401:32:05,000 --> 01:32:06,000
If you listen to Gladiator and then you listen to this and I can't remember what came either
79501:32:06,000 --> 01:32:07,000
before or right after.
79601:32:07,000 --> 01:32:08,000
Oh, there's like similarities.
79701:32:08,000 --> 01:32:09,000
Completely.
79801:32:09,000 --> 01:32:13,000
It's like he just evolved the same soundtrack throughout all the movies.
79901:32:13,000 --> 01:32:14,000
We shall see.
80001:32:14,000 --> 01:32:15,000
All right.
80101:32:15,000 --> 01:32:16,000
I'm suspicious.
80201:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,680
Themes, action and comedy.
80301:32:19,680 --> 01:32:20,800
Action comedy.
80401:32:20,800 --> 01:32:21,800
Great movie.
80501:32:21,800 --> 01:32:22,880
Number one.
80601:32:22,880 --> 01:32:26,600
Number two, f*cking School of Rock.
80701:32:26,600 --> 01:32:27,600
The best Jack Black.
80801:32:27,600 --> 01:32:28,600
School of Rock.
80901:32:28,600 --> 01:32:34,000
I liked that when I was younger, but I think I watched it.
81001:32:34,000 --> 01:32:35,000
I can't see.
81101:32:35,000 --> 01:32:38,640
I'm having trouble remembering if I actually rewatched it as an adult or if my memory just
81201:32:38,640 --> 01:32:40,760
kind of faded with it.
81301:32:40,760 --> 01:32:45,720
If my opinion over time got like mid because I watched it again or because I just didn't
81401:32:45,720 --> 01:32:48,200
watch it again and didn't have too many memories of it.
81501:32:48,200 --> 01:32:49,200
You're supposed to be a music guy.
81601:32:49,200 --> 01:32:50,200
Yeah.
81701:32:50,200 --> 01:32:51,200
You made music and you don't.
81801:32:51,200 --> 01:32:54,640
The music, Jack Black music.
81901:32:54,640 --> 01:32:55,640
It's rock.
82001:32:55,640 --> 01:32:56,640
I make different music.
82101:32:56,640 --> 01:32:57,640
Oh my God.
82201:32:57,640 --> 01:33:00,060
I'm more of a f*cking Bright Eyes guy.
82301:33:00,060 --> 01:33:01,320
More of a f*cking Regina Spector.
82401:33:01,320 --> 01:33:02,320
Oh, Conor O'Byrst.
82501:33:02,320 --> 01:33:03,320
He went to my high school.
82601:33:03,320 --> 01:33:04,320
Oh sh*t.
82701:33:04,320 --> 01:33:05,320
Yeah, you're welcome.
82801:33:05,320 --> 01:33:06,320
I produced him in the future.
82901:33:06,320 --> 01:33:07,320
Oh, thank you.
83001:33:07,320 --> 01:33:08,320
I'm going to go back to that.
83101:33:08,320 --> 01:33:09,320
Okay.
83201:33:09,320 --> 01:33:10,320
Number three, you're on thin ice.
83301:33:10,320 --> 01:33:11,320
Okay.
83401:33:11,320 --> 01:33:12,320
Number three better be a knockout.
83501:33:12,320 --> 01:33:13,320
Good luck.
83601:33:13,320 --> 01:33:14,320
I don't remember what I say for the third one.
83701:33:14,320 --> 01:33:15,760
I'm going to be a bar none, period.
83801:33:15,760 --> 01:33:20,440
And just an amazingly tight, awesome, wholesome, funny, musically accurate.
83901:33:20,440 --> 01:33:22,440
Yeah, the music stuff is cute.
84001:33:22,440 --> 01:33:23,880
I'd be willing to watch it again.
84101:33:23,880 --> 01:33:26,760
All the different performances of the singers involving all the kids and everything.
84201:33:26,760 --> 01:33:28,280
An amazing movie.
84301:33:28,280 --> 01:33:29,280
Okay.
84401:33:29,280 --> 01:33:31,920
Pirates of the Caribbean, School of Rock.
84501:33:31,920 --> 01:33:36,400
And number three, f*cking maybe controversial in terms of anybody should be able to like
84601:33:36,400 --> 01:33:37,400
and appreciate it.
84701:33:37,400 --> 01:33:40,560
I'm sorry, but Ocean's 11.
84801:33:40,560 --> 01:33:43,720
It's just a great classic heist movie.
84901:33:43,720 --> 01:33:44,720
Super fun.
85001:33:44,720 --> 01:33:45,720
I can watch that again.
85101:33:45,720 --> 01:33:51,640
Well, that's in a particular brand of movies where it spawned a lot of things of people
85201:33:51,640 --> 01:33:53,120
trying to emulate it.
85301:33:53,120 --> 01:33:54,120
The cast.
85401:33:54,120 --> 01:33:56,020
Yeah, no, it's a good cast.
85501:33:56,020 --> 01:33:57,840
It's a fun heist type.
85601:33:57,840 --> 01:33:58,840
Everybody's at their best.
85701:33:58,840 --> 01:33:59,840
That's a good movie.
85801:33:59,840 --> 01:34:00,840
Everybody is just, oh.
85901:34:00,840 --> 01:34:01,840
Yeah.
86001:34:01,840 --> 01:34:05,280
It was successful for like, what, three, two sequels and then like a f*cking remake or
86101:34:05,280 --> 01:34:06,280
something.
86201:34:06,280 --> 01:34:07,280
Okay.
86301:34:07,280 --> 01:34:08,280
Yeah.
86401:34:08,280 --> 01:34:10,120
What are your three movies that everybody should like?
86501:34:10,120 --> 01:34:11,120
Humanity tests.
86601:34:11,120 --> 01:34:12,120
Oh my God.
86701:34:12,120 --> 01:34:13,120
Humanity tests.
86801:34:13,120 --> 01:34:21,680
You know, there's some, I think in 2010 in one of my really early reviews I said something
86901:34:21,680 --> 01:34:23,840
with that like extreme of a perspective.
87001:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,640
I was like, if you don't like black dynamite, you don't have a soul.
87101:34:27,640 --> 01:34:32,160
I avoid saying things like that now, but that is a pretty good litmus test.
87201:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,780
There's very few people that don't enjoy it.
87301:34:34,780 --> 01:34:38,880
Black dynamite is hilarious.
87401:34:38,880 --> 01:34:42,840
The Lion King is a really easy accessible film to all ages.
87501:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,480
I think that that's, well, obviously the 94 film.
87601:34:45,480 --> 01:34:52,320
It's one that maybe not everybody's into, but I consider it to be like the best kids
87701:34:52,320 --> 01:35:01,320
movie, the best animated movie that children can watch and adults can find artistic value
87801:35:01,320 --> 01:35:03,080
out of also.
87901:35:03,080 --> 01:35:05,000
And then, uh, Hmm.
88001:35:05,000 --> 01:35:07,000
What's a good answer?
88101:35:07,000 --> 01:35:11,700
I mean, like, this is a weird recency bias, but I guess I'm on the spot for this f*cking
88201:35:11,700 --> 01:35:13,340
hundreds of beavers.
88301:35:13,340 --> 01:35:18,700
Number of three, hundreds of beavers, download hundreds of beavers, leave a comment on my
88401:35:18,700 --> 01:35:21,620
channel or my subreddit being like, yo, thanks Adam.
88501:35:21,620 --> 01:35:23,100
Cause you made me check out hundreds of beavers.
88601:35:23,100 --> 01:35:24,620
It's the f*cking best movie ever.
88701:35:24,620 --> 01:35:29,180
And you don't have to say that dishonestly because you will say that because you're going
88801:35:29,180 --> 01:35:31,500
to f*cking watch it by the movie.
88901:35:31,500 --> 01:35:34,780
This is not a, this is not a team with any kind of marketing budget.
89001:35:34,780 --> 01:35:39,140
They've just been posting memes online and doing film festival staff.
89101:35:39,140 --> 01:35:41,820
And so they did a self distribution thing.
89201:35:41,820 --> 01:35:45,540
So if you're going to, if this is going to be the one movie all year that you actually
89301:35:45,540 --> 01:35:47,780
buy instead of pirate, okay.
89401:35:47,780 --> 01:35:49,620
Buy hundreds of beavers cause they actually need it.
89501:35:49,620 --> 01:35:51,580
Is this like a comedy or it is a comedy.
89601:35:51,580 --> 01:35:52,580
Okay.
89701:35:52,580 --> 01:35:56,620
It's like an involved actual beavers or what is the, uh, yes.
89801:35:56,620 --> 01:35:58,580
Yeah there's beavers in it.
89901:35:58,580 --> 01:36:01,460
Is that like a puss* joke or like, no, no, it's not.
90001:36:01,460 --> 01:36:03,620
It's not about puss*es.
90101:36:03,620 --> 01:36:10,660
It's about a, uh, the main character's name is John kayak and he becomes a, the film shows
90201:36:10,660 --> 01:36:16,540
his journey from starting bottom of the barrel and then working his way up to being the best
90301:36:16,540 --> 01:36:21,900
fur trapper in a loony tunes, black and white silent film, but with lots of sound design
90401:36:21,900 --> 01:36:25,060
and modern editing choices, uh, style.
90501:36:25,060 --> 01:36:31,180
Very, very funny, very internet and like meme and gaming kind of conscious and vibes.
90601:36:31,180 --> 01:36:32,180
Right.
90701:36:32,180 --> 01:36:37,740
Emulating like super old, like Charlie Chaplin and Buster Keaton and like classic loony tune
90801:36:37,740 --> 01:36:38,740
stuff.
90901:36:38,740 --> 01:36:44,060
It's, it's literally just one of these things where if you're not hyping it up, then you're
91001:36:44,060 --> 01:36:45,060
missing it out.
91101:36:45,060 --> 01:36:46,060
You're, you're missing out.
91201:36:46,060 --> 01:36:48,860
You're missing out if you're not hyping, hyping it up.
91301:36:48,860 --> 01:36:49,860
Okay.
91401:36:49,860 --> 01:36:50,860
You're not, is this like an hour and a half movie?
91501:36:50,860 --> 01:36:52,060
It's like a four hour movie.
91601:36:52,060 --> 01:36:53,740
It's an hour 45.
91701:36:53,740 --> 01:36:54,740
Okay.
91801:36:54,740 --> 01:36:56,140
Hundreds of beavers.
91901:36:56,140 --> 01:36:57,140
Yeah.
92001:36:57,140 --> 01:36:58,140
I'm legit.
92101:36:58,140 --> 01:36:59,140
Like it's f*cking incredible.
92201:36:59,140 --> 01:37:02,540
Like the, the way that it's shot is super low.
92301:37:02,540 --> 01:37:04,580
It was made for like $150,000.
92401:37:04,580 --> 01:37:11,380
Um, but the way that they utilize the filmmaking and the choices that they make and the budgetary
92501:37:11,380 --> 01:37:17,140
considerations are all very intelligent and especially over the course of the film, they
92601:37:17,140 --> 01:37:22,340
don't, they don't, uh, they don't show off their best stuff immediately and you can kind
92701:37:22,340 --> 01:37:25,300
of see things build up and like over the course of the film, it's like, wait, that's actually
92801:37:25,300 --> 01:37:26,300
impressive.
92901:37:26,300 --> 01:37:30,300
I thought that this film was like, you know, maybe judging by the first three minutes,
93001:37:30,300 --> 01:37:33,500
you might think like, oh, this is just kind of an excuse to be lazy.
93101:37:33,500 --> 01:37:38,260
But by the end of the film, you're like, this is the least lazy thing that anybody could
93201:37:38,260 --> 01:37:40,300
have done with this format ever.
93301:37:40,300 --> 01:37:45,540
And it's one of those beautiful films where out of its own limitations, it was able to
93401:37:45,540 --> 01:37:51,100
create something really special and unique cult classic already classic already.
93501:37:51,100 --> 01:37:52,620
Nobody's going to f*cking forget this movie.
93601:37:52,620 --> 01:37:53,620
Everybody's going to love it.
93701:37:53,620 --> 01:37:54,620
I mean, people do love it.
93801:37:54,620 --> 01:37:56,060
But it's like, you know, I feel like it's going to get out like crazy.
93901:37:56,060 --> 01:37:57,060
So, okay.
94001:37:57,060 --> 01:37:58,060
Yeah.
94101:37:58,060 --> 01:37:59,060
Um, okay.
94201:37:59,060 --> 01:38:00,060
Semi-serious.
94301:38:00,060 --> 01:38:02,260
Before I move on to the next thing, um, there are like two of your top two movies that you
94401:38:02,260 --> 01:38:06,340
recommend people for like your big, serious, mindful considerations and everything.
94501:38:06,340 --> 01:38:11,260
Um, if you had to recommend between, uh, the Synecdoche, Synecdoche, Synecdoche in New
94601:38:11,260 --> 01:38:15,020
York or Holy mountain, which, which of those two would you recommend?
94701:38:15,020 --> 01:38:18,580
I was going to watch Holy mountain after Synecdoche in New York yesterday, but I felt like after
94801:38:18,580 --> 01:38:23,260
the movie, there's, I didn't have room in my brain for like another, it's probably important
94901:38:23,260 --> 01:38:26,940
to give some space even though they're like almost companion pieces.
95001:38:26,940 --> 01:38:33,060
So the Holy mountain is, is just as non-literal if not more.
95101:38:33,060 --> 01:38:39,060
Um, and it's also about the greater ideas that the film is going for.
95201:38:39,060 --> 01:38:47,260
Um, but I think a bit more universal in a sense and a bit more timeless, uh, that the
95301:38:47,260 --> 01:38:52,140
average person can probably get more out of the ideas in Holy mountain.
95401:38:52,140 --> 01:38:57,100
Uh, Synecdoche in New York is speaking to almost like a very specific type of like atypical
95501:38:57,100 --> 01:39:00,900
brain where someone who's going to connect with it is, is like, Oh wow, like this is
95601:39:00,900 --> 01:39:01,900
me.
95701:39:01,900 --> 01:39:05,180
Whereas the Holy mountain is like, Oh wow, this is life.
95801:39:05,180 --> 01:39:09,180
This is, this is spiritual and I'm not a spiritual person.
95901:39:09,180 --> 01:39:13,140
Um, but in watching that film, it feels like a religious experience.
96001:39:13,140 --> 01:39:20,860
Um, and you feel like almost kind of at one at the universe and like the concepts of like,
96101:39:20,860 --> 01:39:25,900
you know, nudity being like de-sexualized in a way and just things.
96201:39:25,900 --> 01:39:27,160
It's a very colorful film.
96301:39:27,160 --> 01:39:28,980
It's a very ambitious film.
96401:39:28,980 --> 01:39:31,500
Um, yeah, it looks incredible.
96501:39:31,500 --> 01:39:33,020
It's disturbing.
96601:39:33,020 --> 01:39:34,020
It's out there.
96701:39:34,020 --> 01:39:35,020
It's hilarious.
96801:39:35,020 --> 01:39:40,260
It's so many different emotions and it touches on so many huge ideas one after the other.
96901:39:40,260 --> 01:39:43,180
And uh, are you asking me to pick between the two?
97001:39:43,180 --> 01:39:45,900
I was just curious what you would recommend to a person when you're like, I want you to
97101:39:45,900 --> 01:39:48,980
seriously consider watching the show.
97201:39:48,980 --> 01:39:56,940
If they're a f*cking nerd who reads and studies like philosophy, then I would recommend like
97301:39:56,940 --> 01:39:59,300
Synecdoche, New York.
97401:39:59,300 --> 01:40:07,060
If they're a person that does drugs, then the Holy mountain, uh, the Holy mountain is
97501:40:07,060 --> 01:40:08,980
a much more trippy film.
97601:40:08,980 --> 01:40:11,500
Um, yeah, yeah.
97701:40:11,500 --> 01:40:19,700
It depends on the person, but they're, they're both, they're both offering different experiences,
97801:40:19,700 --> 01:40:22,860
but also a lot of the same type of experience that I connect with.
97901:40:22,860 --> 01:40:29,580
And there's no real other movies like those two that I've found.
98001:40:29,580 --> 01:40:33,260
I don't, I don't know if I'm, I would never find myself in a situation where I'm like,
98101:40:33,260 --> 01:40:35,860
Oh, I'm waiting for the next Holy mountain or Synecdoche, New York.
98201:40:35,860 --> 01:40:39,340
Like I don't think it's ever going to happen because it's just what it means to me as well.
98301:40:39,340 --> 01:40:40,340
Okay.
98401:40:40,340 --> 01:40:41,340
That's fine.
98501:40:41,340 --> 01:40:46,220
Before I go on to the next series topic, one more clip, the dune, the dune takes.
98601:40:46,220 --> 01:40:47,220
The dune.
98701:40:47,220 --> 01:40:48,220
The dune takes.
98801:40:48,220 --> 01:40:49,220
Oh, the dune clip.
98901:40:49,220 --> 01:40:52,460
Uh, can I be real quick before you say?
99001:40:52,460 --> 01:40:53,460
Yeah, go for it.
99101:40:53,460 --> 01:40:57,660
Okay, thank you.
99201:40:57,660 --> 01:41:03,260
Well, this is the one with, uh, with his take, Steven.
99301:41:03,260 --> 01:41:04,260
This is the one with what?
99401:41:04,260 --> 01:41:05,260
His take.
99501:41:05,260 --> 01:41:09,180
Um, I don't know, whatever was on the list next.
99601:41:09,180 --> 01:41:10,180
Wait.
99701:41:10,180 --> 01:41:14,940
Well, the list next was the clip of YMS talking about dune to that one.
99801:41:14,940 --> 01:41:15,940
All right.
99901:41:15,940 --> 01:41:16,940
It's that one.
100001:41:16,940 --> 01:41:17,940
Yeah.
100101:41:17,940 --> 01:41:18,940
You water or anything?
100201:41:18,940 --> 01:41:19,940
No, actually.
100301:41:19,940 --> 01:41:20,940
Sure.
100401:41:20,940 --> 01:41:21,940
What is the camera on right now?
100501:41:21,940 --> 01:41:22,940
Are they looking at me?
100601:41:22,940 --> 01:41:23,940
Liking?
100701:41:23,940 --> 01:41:24,940
Are they looking at me right now?
100801:41:24,940 --> 01:41:25,940
Oh, hi.
100901:41:25,940 --> 01:41:26,940
What's up guys?
101001:41:26,940 --> 01:41:42,940
Wow.
101101:41:42,940 --> 01:41:48,940
Thank you so much.
101201:41:48,940 --> 01:41:52,940
Yep.
101301:41:52,940 --> 01:41:56,940
Wow.
101401:41:56,940 --> 01:42:01,940
That's some good water, guys.
101501:42:01,940 --> 01:42:04,940
See if we can get a sponsorship.
101601:42:04,940 --> 01:42:07,940
What do we, why did we take super chats during this?
101701:42:07,940 --> 01:42:08,940
Why?
101801:42:08,940 --> 01:42:14,940
Are we going to ask any of these questions?
101901:42:14,940 --> 01:42:20,940
Oh, okay.
102001:42:20,940 --> 01:42:26,940
You're welcome.
102101:42:26,940 --> 01:42:28,940
And we're back.
102201:42:28,940 --> 01:42:29,940
Okay.
102301:42:29,940 --> 01:42:30,940
Roll the dune clip.
102401:42:30,940 --> 01:42:31,940
Dune clip.
102501:42:31,940 --> 01:42:32,940
Roll clip.
102601:42:32,940 --> 01:42:33,940
Coming right up.
102701:42:33,940 --> 01:42:34,940
The definitive dune clip.
102801:42:34,940 --> 01:42:35,940
All right, here we go, boys.
102901:42:35,940 --> 01:42:36,940
And it was good.
103001:42:36,940 --> 01:42:37,940
I liked it.
103101:42:37,940 --> 01:42:38,940
And a lot of the criticisms that I had with dune part one were very much improved for
103201:42:38,940 --> 01:42:39,940
this film.
103301:42:39,940 --> 01:42:40,940
I went to the dune part one and I was like, "Oh, I don't know what to do with this."
103401:42:40,940 --> 01:42:41,940
And I was like, "Oh, I don't know what to do with this."
103501:42:41,940 --> 01:42:42,940
And I was like, "Oh, I don't know what to do with this."
103601:42:42,940 --> 01:42:43,940
And I was like, "Oh, I don't know what to do with this."
103701:42:43,940 --> 01:42:44,940
And I was like, "Oh, I don't know what to do with this."
103801:42:44,940 --> 01:42:50,940
And I was like, "Oh, I don't know what to do with this."
103901:42:50,940 --> 01:42:55,940
I wound up re-watching dune part one in preparation for dune part two, partially to see if my
104001:42:55,940 --> 01:42:59,940
opinion would change on the first film and partially because I just didn't remember that
104101:42:59,940 --> 01:43:00,940
much of it.
104201:43:00,940 --> 01:43:02,340
Wait, why do you, what is the story behind this?
104301:43:02,340 --> 01:43:04,340
Why don't you just like record your face for like a thing?
104401:43:04,340 --> 01:43:05,940
Do you just, is it just like easier to f*cking record?
104501:43:05,940 --> 01:43:08,940
Yeah, I mean, it gives it a different personality.
104601:43:08,940 --> 01:43:14,460
Um, I, there was a point in my life, you know how I said I was like kind of shy at a certain
104701:43:14,460 --> 01:43:15,460
point.
104801:43:15,460 --> 01:43:19,540
So like every photo I took was just this like dumb, like I'm going to make my face look
104901:43:19,540 --> 01:43:20,540
ugly.
105001:43:20,540 --> 01:43:23,740
So if I try not to be ugly, it won't even matter because I'm trying to be ugly.
105101:43:23,740 --> 01:43:26,860
And then that face just sort of, it was the first one that I put in my videos and then
105201:43:26,860 --> 01:43:31,660
I just used it as the branding since and you know, wife, uh, big sweating, broke sort of
105301:43:31,660 --> 01:43:32,660
thing.
105401:43:32,660 --> 01:43:33,660
Okay, nice.
105501:43:33,660 --> 01:43:34,660
Yeah.
105601:43:34,660 --> 01:43:35,660
All right, keep going.
105701:43:35,660 --> 01:43:39,860
I know that people seem to really unanimously love the first film, but it really was not
105801:43:39,860 --> 01:43:40,860
for me.
105901:43:40,860 --> 01:43:43,140
And this was reaffirmed on my second what?
106001:43:43,140 --> 01:43:44,140
God.
106101:43:44,140 --> 01:43:45,140
Oh my God.
106201:43:45,140 --> 01:43:48,420
I got to relive yesterday.
106301:43:48,420 --> 01:43:52,300
The dog sh*ttedness that is doing, I was worried.
106401:43:52,300 --> 01:43:53,940
I was like, I just saw it.
106501:43:53,940 --> 01:43:54,940
Dude.
106601:43:54,940 --> 01:43:55,940
Hey, all of Chad was mad.
106701:43:55,940 --> 01:43:57,340
That's fine because you were right.
106801:43:57,340 --> 01:43:59,700
Doing one, it was a horrible movie.
106901:43:59,700 --> 01:44:00,700
It was bad.
107001:44:00,700 --> 01:44:01,700
It was bad.
107101:44:01,700 --> 01:44:03,180
What is the, is there an opposite word of Keno?
107201:44:03,180 --> 01:44:05,540
Whatever the opposite of that is.
107301:44:05,540 --> 01:44:06,540
Cringe.
107401:44:06,540 --> 01:44:07,540
Yes.
107501:44:07,540 --> 01:44:11,540
It was a so many criticisms of Dune and the first word at everybody's mouth.
107601:44:11,540 --> 01:44:12,540
Okay.
107701:44:12,540 --> 01:44:13,900
But in the book, God, I hated that f*cking movie.
107801:44:13,900 --> 01:44:14,900
Yeah.
107901:44:14,900 --> 01:44:15,900
That, that happens a lot.
108001:44:15,900 --> 01:44:20,540
That happens a lot in the same way that that happens with a lot of, uh, biopics.
108101:44:20,540 --> 01:44:26,220
Sometimes people are kind of already going into a movie, like attached to an idea or
108201:44:26,220 --> 01:44:28,220
an IP or a person.
108301:44:28,220 --> 01:44:31,700
Uh, which is funny cause you know, a lot of times I don't connect with something.
108401:44:31,700 --> 01:44:33,620
People go, you went into it wanting to hate it.
108501:44:33,620 --> 01:44:37,100
So, well, okay, well if that's a thing, then would you not say that you went into it wanting
108601:44:37,100 --> 01:44:39,820
to like it, that that might be a bias or something?
108701:44:39,820 --> 01:44:43,860
Um, yeah, it's, it's, I, again, like Oppenheimer.
108801:44:43,860 --> 01:44:45,340
I don't think it's a bad film.
108901:44:45,340 --> 01:44:50,500
I just think that there's a better movie that would appeal to me if it were edited down
109001:44:50,500 --> 01:44:52,420
and some things were changed.
109101:44:52,420 --> 01:44:56,300
Uh, there's, there's pieces to a great movie within it.
109201:44:56,300 --> 01:45:00,780
Uh, but overall, I mean, you know, I love a lot of Denny Villeneuve's films, but this
109301:45:00,780 --> 01:45:05,980
just one just did not, you know, I was willing to watch it for a second time, but it just
109401:45:05,980 --> 01:45:07,300
bounced off my brain again.
109501:45:07,300 --> 01:45:10,940
It doesn't speak to me on a personal level like a lot of my favorite movies do.
109601:45:10,940 --> 01:45:11,940
Okay.
109701:45:11,940 --> 01:45:14,060
You didn't watch any Game of Thrones at all, right?
109801:45:14,060 --> 01:45:19,560
I saw the first three episodes and then I said to myself, I don't care about anything
109901:45:19,560 --> 01:45:20,820
that's going on.
110001:45:20,820 --> 01:45:22,660
And so I didn't watch the rest of it.
110101:45:22,660 --> 01:45:26,900
And then over time, when people started saying that it went to sh*t, I was like, well, I'm
110201:45:26,900 --> 01:45:30,340
glad I didn't go anywhere with it.
110301:45:30,340 --> 01:45:32,140
Wait, you didn't care about anything that was going on?
110401:45:32,140 --> 01:45:33,140
What do you mean by that?
110501:45:33,140 --> 01:45:35,340
I didn't care about the characters or their dynamics.
110601:45:35,340 --> 01:45:40,980
I feel like three, three hour long episodes is a pretty good chance to give something.
110701:45:40,980 --> 01:45:42,340
And you should have liked them by then.
110801:45:42,340 --> 01:45:43,340
Okay.
110901:45:43,340 --> 01:45:46,860
But I'm glad I didn't because you're probably very disappointed with the show, right?
111001:45:46,860 --> 01:45:47,860
And how it turned out.
111101:45:47,860 --> 01:45:48,860
Not the first four seasons.
111201:45:48,860 --> 01:45:49,860
Yeah.
111301:45:49,860 --> 01:45:50,860
But then what?
111401:45:50,860 --> 01:45:51,860
It's not an ending.
111501:45:51,860 --> 01:45:52,860
That's season two.
111601:45:52,860 --> 01:45:53,860
That's the second arc.
111701:45:53,860 --> 01:45:54,860
That's a different thing.
111801:45:54,860 --> 01:45:55,860
Yeah.
111901:45:55,860 --> 01:45:56,860
I don't think about the last half.
112001:45:56,860 --> 01:45:57,860
Okay.
112101:45:57,860 --> 01:45:58,860
Yeah.
112201:45:58,860 --> 01:46:02,800
But, but when someone tries to sell me on the idea of watching a long show or any kind
112301:46:02,800 --> 01:46:09,520
of series where there's a cohesive narrative from the beginning to the end, to me, that
112401:46:09,520 --> 01:46:13,840
is basically the equivalent of recommending a movie where it's like, oh, the first half
112501:46:13,840 --> 01:46:15,040
of this movie is f*cking amazing.
112601:46:15,040 --> 01:46:18,840
But the second half is just the most dog sh*t thing to ever exist.
112701:46:18,840 --> 01:46:23,400
And then, you know, like, I don't know, especially maybe there's a beauty to that.
112801:46:23,400 --> 01:46:26,260
Maybe the end is in the beginning.
112901:46:26,260 --> 01:46:28,760
Sometimes you buy a house, it's on fire, knowing that.
113001:46:28,760 --> 01:46:31,000
Yeah, it's better to choose your horrible ending.
113101:46:31,000 --> 01:46:34,480
Well, I think I made the right choice.
113201:46:34,480 --> 01:46:39,400
It's actually because I was going to, um, I was using that as a point of comparison.
113301:46:39,400 --> 01:46:41,480
I like all the characters in Game of Thrones.
113401:46:41,480 --> 01:46:42,960
You didn't, which is interesting.
113501:46:42,960 --> 01:46:43,960
Yeah.
113601:46:43,960 --> 01:46:46,580
I mean, from what I experienced out of the first three episodes, it just didn't speak
113701:46:46,580 --> 01:46:47,580
to me.
113801:46:47,580 --> 01:46:49,560
Something that I was going to say that was a problem with Dune, but now maybe you'll
113901:46:49,560 --> 01:46:52,480
have a complete, total different feeling from Dune.
114001:46:52,480 --> 01:46:55,080
Maybe I can use, you've seen, I imagine Lord of the Rings, right?
114101:46:55,080 --> 01:46:56,080
Yeah.
114201:46:56,080 --> 01:46:57,080
Do you like the characters from Lord of the Rings?
114301:46:57,080 --> 01:46:58,080
I love the characters in Lord of the Rings.
114401:46:58,080 --> 01:46:59,080
Okay.
114501:46:59,080 --> 01:47:00,080
All right.
114601:47:00,080 --> 01:47:01,080
That kind of works as a point of comparison then.
114701:47:01,080 --> 01:47:02,080
Yeah.
114801:47:02,080 --> 01:47:06,360
For Dune, and I felt this even during Dune II, I don't know what it is or what, if it's,
114901:47:06,360 --> 01:47:11,640
I don't know if it's the performances or if it's the writing or if it's the directing.
115001:47:11,640 --> 01:47:20,160
But I, there's a, there's a style of like formal line epic delivery that makes me feel
115101:47:20,160 --> 01:47:23,880
totally emotionally disconnected from the characters.
115201:47:23,880 --> 01:47:24,880
Yeah.
115301:47:24,880 --> 01:47:25,880
Because it seems kind of like insistent.
115401:47:25,880 --> 01:47:27,520
So stiff and insistent.
115501:47:27,520 --> 01:47:33,200
Where like, if I'm watching Lord of the Rings, I could imagine a tearful moment if almost
115601:47:33,200 --> 01:47:35,480
any of those main characters died.
115701:47:35,480 --> 01:47:40,720
When I was watching Dune II, like even during the romance scenes between like Zendaya's
115801:47:40,720 --> 01:47:43,320
character and Timothy, whatever his name is.
115901:47:43,320 --> 01:47:44,320
Tim Cham.
116001:47:44,320 --> 01:47:45,320
Yeah.
116101:47:45,320 --> 01:47:46,320
His character.
116201:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,840
Even in the romance scenes, I was like, this is like the stiffest, like, I feel like I'm
116301:47:48,840 --> 01:47:51,400
at like a high school line reading auditioning for a play.
116401:47:51,400 --> 01:47:53,880
I just don't have any emotional connection.
116501:47:53,880 --> 01:47:57,280
Do you think that, did you feel similar or do you think that I like have my own feeling
116601:47:57,280 --> 01:47:58,280
there?
116701:47:58,280 --> 01:47:59,280
Or what like?
116801:47:59,280 --> 01:48:03,560
I feel as though Tim Cham, from what I understand of fans of the book, they say, oh, he looks
116901:48:03,560 --> 01:48:06,040
exactly how the character is supposed to look.
117001:48:06,040 --> 01:48:11,720
I don't think that his performance was one that really sold me on like any intrigue about
117101:48:11,720 --> 01:48:16,520
the character or perhaps if I had read the source material beforehand and I already kind
117201:48:16,520 --> 01:48:17,520
of knew where things were going.
117301:48:17,520 --> 01:48:22,840
Because like I said earlier with some other films, like sometimes having an idea of what
117401:48:22,840 --> 01:48:26,520
something is before going into it, like a movie on a second watch, it can be a better
117501:48:26,520 --> 01:48:30,360
experience when you're like, oh, I know how it's paced and I kind of know what to expect.
117601:48:30,360 --> 01:48:33,900
And then you're not kind of like disappointed by having different expectations.
117701:48:33,900 --> 01:48:37,440
In that sense, I think that maybe, you know, if I was more familiar with the source material
117801:48:37,440 --> 01:48:42,640
and I had like a better understanding of like the dynamics and the goals and you know, the
117901:48:42,640 --> 01:48:45,320
characters, then maybe I would have appreciated it more.
118001:48:45,320 --> 01:48:50,680
But even on a second watch for Dune Part One, as someone who still hasn't read the books,
118101:48:50,680 --> 01:48:55,280
I felt very disconnected and I felt like Tim Cham's performance got a lot better and his
118201:48:55,280 --> 01:48:57,520
character got a lot better in the second film.
118301:48:57,520 --> 01:49:01,080
And his goals were more clear and the dynamics were more interesting.
118401:49:01,080 --> 01:49:04,640
It's just strange to me that like, it's essentially, my guess is, I've never read the book, but
118501:49:04,640 --> 01:49:09,340
the movies make it feel like Dune is probably like a young adult book.
118601:49:09,340 --> 01:49:13,440
It's like a coming of age type of thing, like a boy becoming a man and all of the trials
118701:49:13,440 --> 01:49:17,200
and tribulations of like taking on more responsibility and shedding your adolescence and childhood.
118801:49:17,200 --> 01:49:18,800
And you know, like, right.
118901:49:18,800 --> 01:49:22,880
To have a character who's like the stand in for that, that I just like, I just, I don't
119001:49:22,880 --> 01:49:26,920
know if there needed to be moments of like self-doubt or him like, like even if he were
119101:49:26,920 --> 01:49:30,440
to doubt himself, like a moment like that, I feel like it would be conveyed with him
119201:49:30,440 --> 01:49:34,840
like standing in front of a mirror being like, my future, I know not what I must do.
119301:49:34,840 --> 01:49:37,160
It would just be like the stiffest, most like Jesus Christ.
119401:49:37,160 --> 01:49:39,200
Like I don't think you're a f*cking human at any point of this.
119501:49:39,200 --> 01:49:40,960
I feel like his mom wasn't a human.
119601:49:40,960 --> 01:49:42,200
Them talking to each other wasn't human.
119701:49:42,200 --> 01:49:45,960
The only guy that I felt like was somewhat human through that was actually, it was the
119801:49:45,960 --> 01:49:49,640
older guy that like had faith, like the Morpheus character that had faith in him the whole
119901:49:49,640 --> 01:49:50,640
time.
120001:49:50,640 --> 01:49:51,640
Whatever that character was.
120101:49:51,640 --> 01:49:55,640
I felt like he was like decently, I liked him as like a person, as a character and human
120201:49:55,640 --> 01:49:56,640
being.
120301:49:56,640 --> 01:49:57,960
Like everybody else I felt so stiff.
120401:49:57,960 --> 01:50:02,080
You know what I feel gives the characters more humanity in Lord of the Rings is that
120501:50:02,080 --> 01:50:05,400
the overall film doesn't take itself nearly as seriously.
120601:50:05,400 --> 01:50:10,920
And Dune is the type of film where it's going for a very serious, very serious tone, despite
120701:50:10,920 --> 01:50:16,880
honestly like a lot of things that kind of happened within it being a little goofy.
120801:50:16,880 --> 01:50:20,560
And perhaps maybe just for me personally, like I would have benefited from a movie that
120901:50:20,560 --> 01:50:24,200
didn't, wasn't trying to sell me this like super serious tone.
121001:50:24,200 --> 01:50:26,480
In the second film, I think it pulled it off really well.
121101:50:26,480 --> 01:50:30,160
There's very few films that I would actually say like this scene is epic.
121201:50:30,160 --> 01:50:35,080
I think that that's that word should be reserved for things that are actually like, holy sh*t,
121301:50:35,080 --> 01:50:39,720
like insanely constructed where like all the emotions are hitting and like the, you know,
121401:50:39,720 --> 01:50:43,240
while they're dodging the rocket or they're shooting the rockets at the helicopter and
121501:50:43,240 --> 01:50:44,240
going behind the cover.
121601:50:44,240 --> 01:50:46,520
Like that was a scene that was epic.
121701:50:46,520 --> 01:50:48,160
I would never say the word epic.
121801:50:48,160 --> 01:50:49,160
Yeah.
121901:50:49,160 --> 01:50:52,320
I also kind of like, I liked the ending fight.
122001:50:52,320 --> 01:50:53,320
I thought that was cute.
122101:50:53,320 --> 01:50:58,360
I think it's weird that they introduced like a super big, bad villain, like one half into
122201:50:58,360 --> 01:51:00,960
the movie and then had his like full arc completed.
122301:51:00,960 --> 01:51:02,960
The guy who had no hair anywhere.
122401:51:02,960 --> 01:51:03,960
Do you know what I'm talking about?
122501:51:03,960 --> 01:51:04,960
Austin Butler.
122601:51:04,960 --> 01:51:05,960
Yeah.
122701:51:05,960 --> 01:51:10,280
Or I mean, there were a few, there were a few characters that had no hair, but yeah,
122801:51:10,280 --> 01:51:13,760
the one with the black and white fight.
122901:51:13,760 --> 01:51:15,640
It was the, it was the big fight at the end.
123001:51:15,640 --> 01:51:17,600
I mean, yeah, I think that was the same character.
123101:51:17,600 --> 01:51:18,600
Yeah, probably.
123201:51:18,600 --> 01:51:19,600
Yeah.
123301:51:19,600 --> 01:51:24,040
I didn't feel as though Christopher Walken was in the movie.
123401:51:24,040 --> 01:51:25,040
He was kind of distracting.
123501:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,760
That was just kind of like a weird casting choice.
123601:51:27,760 --> 01:51:28,760
Yeah.
123701:51:28,760 --> 01:51:30,840
When I saw it, cause he's, he, that guy is Christopher Walken.
123801:51:30,840 --> 01:51:33,320
I know he very much is everywhere.
123901:51:33,320 --> 01:51:35,160
I don't know if he can shed that.
124001:51:35,160 --> 01:51:39,240
He's like the opposite of the little man.
124101:51:39,240 --> 01:51:42,080
They tried to hide parts of his accent, but it's still kind of bled through.
124201:51:42,080 --> 01:51:44,640
Wait, you guys know why they chose him, right?
124301:51:44,640 --> 01:51:45,640
No.
124401:51:45,640 --> 01:51:46,640
Oh, there's a reason.
124501:51:46,640 --> 01:51:47,640
Oh boy.
124601:51:47,640 --> 01:51:48,640
There's a reason.
124701:51:48,640 --> 01:51:49,640
I can't play this stupid thing.
124801:51:49,640 --> 01:51:50,640
You know what this is.
124901:51:50,640 --> 01:51:51,640
More cowbell or something.
125001:51:51,640 --> 01:51:52,640
No, no, no.
125101:51:52,640 --> 01:51:56,920
No, in the song, one of the lyrics is if you walk without rhythm, you won't attract the
125201:51:56,920 --> 01:51:57,920
worm.
125301:51:57,920 --> 01:51:58,920
And it's Christopher Walken dancing.
125401:51:58,920 --> 01:51:59,920
This is why they did it.
125501:51:59,920 --> 01:52:00,920
Oh God.
125601:52:00,920 --> 01:52:01,920
He's Sandwalken.
125701:52:01,920 --> 01:52:02,920
It's all for the meme.
125801:52:02,920 --> 01:52:03,920
Christopher Sandwalken.
125901:52:03,920 --> 01:52:10,920
That might be why, but also, you know, you look at the business of filmmaking.
126001:52:10,920 --> 01:52:15,960
You have to put a lot of recognizable stars in the film just to get it greenlit and just
126101:52:15,960 --> 01:52:18,080
to get your movie made a lot of the time.
126201:52:18,080 --> 01:52:26,800
So, you know, now maybe depending on who Denny works with in terms of studios and distributors,
126301:52:26,800 --> 01:52:33,600
like maybe at this point now he'll have as much power as someone like Christopher Nolan.
126401:52:33,600 --> 01:52:35,320
I think he's getting close to that point.
126501:52:35,320 --> 01:52:40,040
I think that there are people that do care about him as a director enough that whatever
126601:52:40,040 --> 01:52:42,680
movie he makes next, people are going to watch.
126701:52:42,680 --> 01:52:43,680
You put his name in the trailer.
126801:52:43,680 --> 01:52:45,680
He was the same one that did Blade Runner, right?
126901:52:45,680 --> 01:52:46,680
2049.
127001:52:46,680 --> 01:52:47,680
2049, yeah.
127101:52:47,680 --> 01:52:49,680
He's doing very well for himself.
127201:52:49,680 --> 01:52:52,240
And I'm very happy about that because I've loved his work for a while.
127301:52:52,240 --> 01:52:57,640
He had a film called Incendies in like, what, 2009?
127401:52:57,640 --> 01:53:00,160
I don't remember what year.
127501:53:00,160 --> 01:53:01,160
2008?
127601:53:01,160 --> 01:53:02,160
But that was incredible.
127701:53:02,160 --> 01:53:05,680
That was one of his earlier-ish ones.
127801:53:05,680 --> 01:53:11,240
I had JJ McCullough here last and one of the things that we chatted about had to do with
127901:53:11,240 --> 01:53:12,600
the legislation.
128001:53:12,600 --> 01:53:16,280
I think it was Bill C-11, but I think it's passed now in Canada.
128101:53:16,280 --> 01:53:21,040
That's trying to make you guys make more content about Canada instead of just US.
128201:53:21,040 --> 01:53:22,040
Yeah.
128301:53:22,040 --> 01:53:28,120
So we've always had laws that didn't apply to the internet and just applied to television
128401:53:28,120 --> 01:53:29,120
and radio.
128501:53:29,120 --> 01:53:31,360
He probably explained this.
128601:53:31,360 --> 01:53:39,680
Where a certain percentage of content that is broadcast on Canadian airwaves or cable
128701:53:39,680 --> 01:53:45,640
stations or any kind of traditional media, a certain amount of it has to be content made
128801:53:45,640 --> 01:53:46,640
from Canadians.
128901:53:46,640 --> 01:53:50,280
But the way that the government defines that is always so silly.
129001:53:50,280 --> 01:53:54,840
So let's say, like, James Cameron's a Canadian, but the movie Avatar isn't a Canadian movie.
129101:53:54,840 --> 01:54:00,280
It has to be like a specific percentage of the people that made the movie and it being
129201:54:00,280 --> 01:54:05,680
shot in Canada or a certain amount of the people that recorded this song and blah blah
129301:54:05,680 --> 01:54:12,720
blah blah blah to actually fit that very narrow, what is a Canadian thing or a Canadian song.
129401:54:12,720 --> 01:54:17,000
And I understand the reason behind it, just because, you know, like culturally it can
129501:54:17,000 --> 01:54:21,400
help bring out a lot of artists.
129601:54:21,400 --> 01:54:24,960
There's a lot of bands that were just super popular in Canada that never escaped the border
129701:54:24,960 --> 01:54:26,640
that I thought were pretty great.
129801:54:26,640 --> 01:54:31,440
And honestly, you know, as you said earlier, there are instances, I would say, especially
129901:54:31,440 --> 01:54:35,240
with the music industry where you can kind of force someone to like something because
130001:54:35,240 --> 01:54:42,560
music, a lot of music that's being played is so formulated and infectious that all you
130101:54:42,560 --> 01:54:46,480
have to do is just play something a few times and then it'll get stuck in someone's head
130201:54:46,480 --> 01:54:49,880
and then they'll like it in a way that might be, you know, it could have been any other
130301:54:49,880 --> 01:54:53,400
artist doing the same sort of thing.
130401:54:53,400 --> 01:54:55,040
I'm unsure.
130501:54:55,040 --> 01:54:57,360
So that passed recently is what you're saying?
130601:54:57,360 --> 01:54:59,080
I think it was a while ago.
130701:54:59,080 --> 01:55:00,440
Recently as in like the past few years.
130801:55:00,440 --> 01:55:01,440
Yeah.
130901:55:01,440 --> 01:55:05,560
I'm just curious, as somebody that does like, you're involved in a lot of culture, right?
131001:55:05,560 --> 01:55:09,040
Movies are represent the nexus of a lot of different types of culture.
131101:55:09,040 --> 01:55:14,560
What does it feel like as a Canadian and do you feel like a loyalty at all to your country
131201:55:14,560 --> 01:55:18,240
to amplify or review certain things that are Canadian in nature?
131301:55:18,240 --> 01:55:21,760
Do you just not care and movies to you are, if it all comes from the U S or involves people
131401:55:21,760 --> 01:55:24,940
you don't care, do you think that there's like, there should be like an onus on Canadian
131501:55:24,940 --> 01:55:29,600
content creators to focus a little bit more on Canadian origin stuff or should it just
131601:55:29,600 --> 01:55:31,760
be whatever Canadians want to focus on?
131701:55:31,760 --> 01:55:32,760
Yeah.
131801:55:32,760 --> 01:55:37,080
I'm not like, I wouldn't, I'm the type of person where like I just identify as an individual
131901:55:37,080 --> 01:55:38,640
for most of what I do.
132001:55:38,640 --> 01:55:44,200
I don't, you know, I don't identify super strongly in any way with like nationalism
132101:55:44,200 --> 01:55:45,640
or like race or gender.
132201:55:45,640 --> 01:55:47,200
I just feel like me.
132301:55:47,200 --> 01:55:50,320
And maybe that's just like, I don't know, maybe it's a psychological issue or I have
132401:55:50,320 --> 01:55:51,320
no idea.
132501:55:51,320 --> 01:55:55,600
I can only do so much in terms of being introspective and trying to figure out my own brain.
132601:55:55,600 --> 01:56:03,240
But I would say that, um, I have definitely found value in promoting great lesser known
132701:56:03,240 --> 01:56:07,880
Canadian content because of the fact that half of my audience is from the U S and only
132801:56:07,880 --> 01:56:10,240
10% of my audience is from Canada.
132901:56:10,240 --> 01:56:15,160
And then the 40% is like UK, Australia, Germany.
133001:56:15,160 --> 01:56:18,560
And so there are some things where it never really escaped the border.
133101:56:18,560 --> 01:56:22,960
Kenny versus Spenny was one that I was happy to like promote and share this weird kids
133201:56:22,960 --> 01:56:23,960
show called Nanaland.
133301:56:23,960 --> 01:56:28,840
They're like a meme on Tik Tok now and happy to promote and share that.
133401:56:28,840 --> 01:56:35,140
There's a fantastic, fantastic show right now called Nirvana the Band the Show.
133501:56:35,140 --> 01:56:41,200
And it's almost kind of like a Sasha Baron Cohen style where there's a narrative, uh,
133601:56:41,200 --> 01:56:45,080
but people are also being pranked in real life, but the pranks aren't necessarily the
133701:56:45,080 --> 01:56:47,480
goal, but like getting real reactions out of people.
133801:56:47,480 --> 01:56:52,360
And, but there's like real characters and it's written, but there's also like serendipitous,
133901:56:52,360 --> 01:56:54,480
like just see what happens nature to it.
134001:56:54,480 --> 01:56:55,800
Love Nirvana the Band the Show.
134101:56:55,800 --> 01:56:56,800
Everybody check it out.
134201:56:56,800 --> 01:56:59,800
They're filming a movie now and there will be a season three.
134301:56:59,800 --> 01:57:06,140
Um, so those things I find value in promoting, but not because they're Canadian, but because
134401:57:06,140 --> 01:57:10,300
they're things that I know are great, that more people in my audience haven't heard of.
134501:57:10,300 --> 01:57:12,620
And I have the ability to share it like hundreds of beavers.
134601:57:12,620 --> 01:57:15,920
It's not a Canadian movie, but you know, they could use the help.
134701:57:15,920 --> 01:57:19,780
And there are things that I connect with and things that, you know, if I've been doing
134801:57:19,780 --> 01:57:23,540
this for what, like 13 years or something, and I have like a million subscribers and
134901:57:23,540 --> 01:57:27,900
enough people are looking to me for recommendations, then there's probably a good chunk of people
135001:57:27,900 --> 01:57:32,440
that will just like it because they usually like the types of things that I connect with.
135101:57:32,440 --> 01:57:34,480
So it would be a disservice.
135201:57:34,480 --> 01:57:39,980
And uh, you know, what would be the point of having this platform and caring about art
135301:57:39,980 --> 01:57:44,080
if I wasn't helping recommend these smaller things that could use it, that more people
135401:57:44,080 --> 01:57:45,400
will connect with.
135501:57:45,400 --> 01:57:46,400
Okay.
135601:57:46,400 --> 01:57:47,680
So does it bother you with that?
135701:57:47,680 --> 01:57:53,140
Like Toronto and Vancouver are like stand in cities that are oftentimes portrayed as
135801:57:53,140 --> 01:57:54,520
American cities and film.
135901:57:54,520 --> 01:57:57,240
You think that they should be more honest about the shooting location that they could
136001:57:57,240 --> 01:57:59,600
have places where it's like, we'll just say this isn't, this can be Toronto.
136101:57:59,600 --> 01:58:02,560
It doesn't have to be New York or do you just not care about that at all?
136201:58:02,560 --> 01:58:04,520
I find it interesting for sure.
136301:58:04,520 --> 01:58:10,240
There are a couple of films where like, I guess maybe it's not like as explicitly pretending
136401:58:10,240 --> 01:58:11,240
to be something else.
136501:58:11,240 --> 01:58:17,040
Like I think Denis Villeneuve's Enemy, that was definitely shot in Toronto, but I don't
136601:58:17,040 --> 01:58:20,120
remember if they even specified where they were.
136701:58:20,120 --> 01:58:23,760
I don't remember if it was like important to the story that they were in Toronto.
136801:58:23,760 --> 01:58:28,760
I feel like it's kind of interesting, especially with so much of an audience demographic being
136901:58:28,760 --> 01:58:32,280
American for like just the greater film market.
137001:58:32,280 --> 01:58:37,360
I find it interesting just how many people are used to seeing their cities and their
137101:58:37,360 --> 01:58:41,120
own personal places being represented in film as is.
137201:58:41,120 --> 01:58:45,520
Like the most recent season of Curb Your Enthusiasm, he goes to Atlanta and I've been in Atlanta
137301:58:45,520 --> 01:58:46,520
a bunch.
137401:58:46,520 --> 01:58:47,520
I'm like, oh, I recognize that thing.
137501:58:47,520 --> 01:58:51,440
And I kind of thought like, oh, it must kind of interesting just being in like a major
137601:58:51,440 --> 01:58:59,160
American city and having that like portrayed in so many different shows and different films.
137701:58:59,160 --> 01:59:04,680
There are films that exist and shows that exist that don't, not only don't hide the
137801:59:04,680 --> 01:59:08,540
fact that it's in Canada, but also kind of use it towards its advantage.
137901:59:08,540 --> 01:59:13,020
And I think most of the ones where that's successful are kind of like comedic approaches.
138001:59:13,020 --> 01:59:18,860
Like Nirvana the band, the show, it's like definitely, it's a Canadian show for sure.
138101:59:18,860 --> 01:59:25,720
But I don't, yeah, I'm not, I'm not necessarily offended when a movie is shot in Vancouver
138201:59:25,720 --> 01:59:29,000
and then pretends to be like Chicago or something.
138301:59:29,000 --> 01:59:30,000
It's just a part of the industry.
138401:59:30,000 --> 01:59:32,480
There's tax subsidies in British Columbia.
138501:59:32,480 --> 01:59:37,280
And so that incentivizes a lot of productions to shoot there for cheaper because they get
138601:59:37,280 --> 01:59:38,280
back the tax subsidies.
138701:59:38,280 --> 01:59:39,280
So, okay.
138801:59:39,280 --> 01:59:42,960
You want to hit a few, do five super chats.
138901:59:42,960 --> 01:59:43,960
Let's do it.
139001:59:43,960 --> 01:59:45,540
Yeah, go for it.
139101:59:45,540 --> 01:59:46,540
Let's do it.
139201:59:46,540 --> 01:59:47,540
All right.
139301:59:47,540 --> 01:59:48,540
Super chat time.
139401:59:48,540 --> 01:59:49,540
Let's see what we got here.
139501:59:49,540 --> 01:59:52,540
Check the pin.
139601:59:52,540 --> 01:59:55,040
All right.
139701:59:55,040 --> 01:59:56,400
Have Adam asked destiny.
139801:59:56,400 --> 01:59:57,800
This is from Jordan for $5.
139901:59:57,800 --> 02:00:02,580
Have Adam asked destiny about his movies before 1999 not being a good take.
140002:00:02,580 --> 02:00:04,380
We already hit that the other day.
140102:00:04,380 --> 02:00:07,860
I jokingly say that every movie made before 97 sucks.
140202:00:07,860 --> 02:00:09,520
We got him to admit it's a joke finally.
140302:00:09,520 --> 02:00:10,520
It's a joke.
140402:00:10,520 --> 02:00:12,360
Well, let me know what you think of the Holy Mountain.
140502:00:12,360 --> 02:00:15,140
Maybe it'll be your favorite movie of the seventies anyway.
140602:00:15,140 --> 02:00:16,820
Is it really an old, that's an old movie?
140702:00:16,820 --> 02:00:17,820
It's 1973.
140802:00:17,820 --> 02:00:18,820
It's way ahead of its time.
140902:00:18,820 --> 02:00:19,820
Gotcha.
141002:00:19,820 --> 02:00:20,820
All right.
141102:00:20,820 --> 02:00:21,820
It's crazy.
141202:00:21,820 --> 02:00:22,820
Okay.
141302:00:22,820 --> 02:00:23,820
All right.
141402:00:23,820 --> 02:00:28,900
A gun says for $6 European after sun and past lives are recent examples of great directorial
141502:00:28,900 --> 02:00:30,360
debuts.
141602:00:30,360 --> 02:00:33,060
What in your opinion is the best movie?
141702:00:33,060 --> 02:00:35,260
That's a debut from a director.
141802:00:35,260 --> 02:00:36,780
f*cking Synecdoche, New York.
141902:00:36,780 --> 02:00:39,500
That was his first direct oral debut.
142002:00:39,500 --> 02:00:41,860
Like that was the first time he ever directed anything as a feature.
142102:00:41,860 --> 02:00:42,860
So is that true?
142202:00:42,860 --> 02:00:43,860
Yeah.
142302:00:43,860 --> 02:00:45,220
He was just a writer before 2008 movie.
142402:00:45,220 --> 02:00:46,220
Yeah.
142502:00:46,220 --> 02:00:47,220
He was just a writer beforehand.
142602:00:47,220 --> 02:00:48,220
He was like, I'm going to write Eternal Sunshine.
142702:00:48,220 --> 02:00:50,620
He wrote and then, um, yeah.
142802:00:50,620 --> 02:00:54,460
So like, yeah, that would be very hard to, for me to think of another example, unless
142902:00:54,460 --> 02:00:59,100
you're saying like someone who's literally never made anything, but I'm not sure.
143002:00:59,100 --> 02:01:00,100
All right.
143102:01:00,100 --> 02:01:01,100
Beaver's is directorial debut.
143202:01:01,100 --> 02:01:06,700
I think get out was a directorial debut, but like people that have done other things in
143302:01:06,700 --> 02:01:07,700
the industry.
143402:01:07,700 --> 02:01:08,700
Right.
143502:01:08,700 --> 02:01:11,940
I think most successful debut features are ones where it's like, okay, they've worked
143602:01:11,940 --> 02:01:16,740
in the industry in some form or have some sort of comprehension or experience.
143702:01:16,740 --> 02:01:18,260
Here's just a random question.
143802:01:18,260 --> 02:01:22,140
When an actor gives a bad performance, do you think it's generally the fault more of
143902:01:22,140 --> 02:01:23,580
the actor or the director?
144002:01:23,580 --> 02:01:32,260
There are some actors where they seem almost director proof in the sense that even in films
144102:01:32,260 --> 02:01:36,960
where every other actor gives a bad performance, which I would say is indicative of a bad director
144202:01:36,960 --> 02:01:39,380
where everyone's giving a bad performance.
144302:01:39,380 --> 02:01:43,180
Someone like Jake Gyllenhaal will still manage to be okay.
144402:01:43,180 --> 02:01:46,300
And he's not even like my favorite actor, but I very much noticed about that.
144502:01:46,300 --> 02:01:50,020
Like there's so many films where it's like, wow, everybody sucks in this, but you, and
144602:01:50,020 --> 02:01:53,820
they're all big name or they're all just as much like experience.
144702:01:53,820 --> 02:01:57,940
He seems very director proof in that sense.
144802:01:57,940 --> 02:02:03,580
So he, you know, as an actor, it would appear as though he cares a lot about his roles and
144902:02:03,580 --> 02:02:08,060
he does a lot of his own like research and rehearsal and, and trying to understand his
145002:02:08,060 --> 02:02:12,540
own character and understand the lines in the script as he delivers them.
145102:02:12,540 --> 02:02:18,220
But yeah, so there's, there's the worst directors are ones where every single performance is
145202:02:18,220 --> 02:02:20,060
bad in terms of directing actors.
145302:02:20,060 --> 02:02:25,460
And then the best directors are, you know, like Michelle Hanukkah, Michael Haneke, f*cking
145402:02:25,460 --> 02:02:29,380
he can, he can put like 20 kids in a movie and none of them are bad.
145502:02:29,380 --> 02:02:30,380
Okay.
145602:02:30,380 --> 02:02:31,780
Like the white ribbon has so many child performances.
145702:02:31,780 --> 02:02:35,340
It's like, wow, how did you f*cking do that?
145802:02:35,340 --> 02:02:36,340
Child actors.
145902:02:36,340 --> 02:02:37,340
Okay.
146002:02:37,340 --> 02:02:38,340
Number three.
146102:02:38,340 --> 02:02:39,340
All right.
146202:02:39,340 --> 02:02:40,340
Hit me.
146302:02:40,340 --> 02:02:41,340
Next one.
146402:02:41,340 --> 02:02:48,380
We've got, uh, this is from ambient wave classic, great movies you find that are overrated.
146502:02:48,380 --> 02:02:50,100
Overrated.
146602:02:50,100 --> 02:02:56,140
Well, that's a, you know, uh, I don't know how we define overrated.
146702:02:56,140 --> 02:03:00,420
Like while the audience and everybody says it's really good, but I mean, yeah, I think
146802:03:00,420 --> 02:03:04,820
it's as good as something like, I don't know, is, is you think Pulp Fiction is overrated?
146902:03:04,820 --> 02:03:05,820
So overrated.
147002:03:05,820 --> 02:03:06,820
I think it's a solid movie.
147102:03:06,820 --> 02:03:08,820
I just think it's really overrated.
147202:03:08,820 --> 02:03:09,820
Okay.
147302:03:09,820 --> 02:03:15,500
Um, I don't know, like Citizen Kane, I don't feel is in my top movies of all time.
147402:03:15,500 --> 02:03:21,800
It's great groundbreaking film, but, uh, so if, if people are constantly referring to
147502:03:21,800 --> 02:03:25,140
that as the best movie ever made, then I would have to say it's overrated.
147602:03:25,140 --> 02:03:26,540
Uh, okay.
147702:03:26,540 --> 02:03:27,740
All right.
147802:03:27,740 --> 02:03:30,020
A couple more quick ones.
147902:03:30,020 --> 02:03:31,620
Please glaze over poor things.
148002:03:31,620 --> 02:03:32,620
Best movie 2023.
148102:03:32,620 --> 02:03:35,700
Uh, this is from Jupiter core for $10.
148202:03:35,700 --> 02:03:36,700
Did you watch it?
148302:03:36,700 --> 02:03:37,700
Nope.
148402:03:37,700 --> 02:03:38,700
Did you?
148502:03:38,700 --> 02:03:39,700
Yep.
148602:03:39,700 --> 02:03:40,700
It's the best movie of 2023.
148702:03:40,700 --> 02:03:41,700
What's it about?
148802:03:41,700 --> 02:03:42,700
Oh boy.
148902:03:42,700 --> 02:03:43,700
Plot wise.
149002:03:43,700 --> 02:03:47,060
It's almost kind of like f*cking dicey because there's a lot of people that criticize the
149102:03:47,060 --> 02:03:53,540
film in a way where they're kind of ignoring the greater themes and kind of like, um, what's
149202:03:53,540 --> 02:03:54,540
the word?
149302:03:54,540 --> 02:03:56,700
Not necessarily misrepresenting, but like missing the forest for the trees and giving
149402:03:56,700 --> 02:04:04,660
like a very narrow, uh, summary of, oh, like, it's a like, like cuties, but it's doesn't
149502:04:04,660 --> 02:04:08,860
feature little girls, uh, doing those things.
149602:04:08,860 --> 02:04:09,860
Right.
149702:04:09,860 --> 02:04:16,940
So no longer, but there's a, it's a weird character where a mad scientist, uh, in almost
149802:04:16,940 --> 02:04:21,660
kind of like a Frankenstein way, but very less, way less taking itself seriously.
149902:04:21,660 --> 02:04:23,420
It's a comedic film as well.
150002:04:23,420 --> 02:04:33,460
Um, he takes a, a woman's fetus, uh, and the woman dies and the fetus brain goes into her
150102:04:33,460 --> 02:04:39,580
brain and then you see like a baby character, but portrayed by Emma stone and adult kind
150202:04:39,580 --> 02:04:41,380
of like grow up and like discover herself.
150302:04:41,380 --> 02:04:46,060
And it's almost kind of like a Pinocchio adventure movie, but it's so style heavy and it's so
150402:04:46,060 --> 02:04:51,060
the score is like one of the craziest f*cking scores ever in terms of how it's presented
150502:04:51,060 --> 02:04:57,340
in the emotions and, and it feeling like new sounds, which I never really feel often about
150602:04:57,340 --> 02:04:58,340
a movie.
150702:04:58,340 --> 02:05:02,060
Um, and it matching the tone and it like transforming into something else.
150802:05:02,060 --> 02:05:04,060
Um, yeah.
150902:05:04,060 --> 02:05:05,060
Incredible cinematography.
151002:05:05,060 --> 02:05:11,140
Uh, yeah, that's probably Mark Ruffalo's best performance.
151102:05:11,140 --> 02:05:13,020
Glad Emma stone won the Oscar.
151202:05:13,020 --> 02:05:18,980
Not to say Lily Gladstone didn't deserve it, but yeah, that was my favorite movie of last
151302:05:18,980 --> 02:05:20,180
year for sure.
151402:05:20,180 --> 02:05:21,180
It's crazy.
151502:05:21,180 --> 02:05:22,860
I would love to see that one again.
151602:05:22,860 --> 02:05:28,420
It's a, it's, I love movies that do weird, unique, interesting things and they're for
151702:05:28,420 --> 02:05:29,420
a purpose.
151802:05:29,420 --> 02:05:35,380
And you can look at the choices and be like, wow, that fits, you know, extreme cinematography
151902:05:35,380 --> 02:05:40,540
choices, extreme differences in the types of lenses in a way that like, even if you're
152002:05:40,540 --> 02:05:45,620
not a person that feels regularly conscious of the types of lenses that are used in movies,
152102:05:45,620 --> 02:05:46,700
you'll notice it still.
152202:05:46,700 --> 02:05:49,300
It's like that extreme in terms of how it's shown.
152302:05:49,300 --> 02:05:50,300
Okay.
152402:05:50,300 --> 02:05:51,860
How many movies do you have to watch a week?
152502:05:51,860 --> 02:05:53,340
Do I watch a week?
152602:05:53,340 --> 02:05:58,060
Uh, I'm just trying to watch like one a day or like three or four a week or it's really
152702:05:58,060 --> 02:05:59,060
just, yeah.
152802:05:59,060 --> 02:06:01,700
It's depending on whether or not I'm at a film festival.
152902:06:01,700 --> 02:06:06,140
It's depending on whether or not I'm in the middle of like trying to get an editing project
153002:06:06,140 --> 02:06:07,140
done.
153102:06:07,140 --> 02:06:09,180
Like if an editor sends me something and I need to go over it and make some tweaks, it's
153202:06:09,180 --> 02:06:11,220
like, okay, well this video should probably be published.
153302:06:11,220 --> 02:06:13,700
So then I might not watch a movie that day if that's what I'm doing.
153402:06:13,700 --> 02:06:14,700
I'm going over that.
153502:06:14,700 --> 02:06:20,780
But I mean, on average, um, I mean several movies a week at least.
153602:06:20,780 --> 02:06:27,060
Like I mean, I do a bi-weekly podcast like every two weeks and there's always one major
153702:06:27,060 --> 02:06:30,580
film recommendation and then we usually talk about like one or two other movies that came
153802:06:30,580 --> 02:06:32,620
out in theaters in each episode.
153902:06:32,620 --> 02:06:38,060
Um, and then on top of that, like as I'm trying to go through my movies for 2016 list and
154002:06:38,060 --> 02:06:41,820
get that wrapped up and then film festivals that I go to, a lot of them I'm watching like
154102:06:41,820 --> 02:06:45,300
three or three to five movies per day at those sometimes.
154202:06:45,300 --> 02:06:46,300
Movies for 2016?
154302:06:46,300 --> 02:06:47,300
2016, yeah.
154402:06:47,300 --> 02:06:54,300
So I, uh, when people create their best of the year lists, uh, what you most often see
154502:06:54,300 --> 02:06:59,380
is people that, you know, in December of 2023, they would be like, here's the best movies
154602:06:59,380 --> 02:07:01,180
that I saw from 2023.
154702:07:01,180 --> 02:07:05,540
I'm not satisfied with that personally, um, because there's so many films that I connect
154802:07:05,540 --> 02:07:10,340
with that are foreign, independent, don't have huge distribution budgets, and won't
154902:07:10,340 --> 02:07:15,360
be available in any form that technically had a 2023 release, but I'm not able to see
155002:07:15,360 --> 02:07:18,140
yet because they don't have actual proper distribution.
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And so I always wind up doing my best of the year lists at least a couple years after just
155202:07:23,900 --> 02:07:27,780
to make sure that I'm actually able to see everything that could make my list within
155302:07:27,780 --> 02:07:28,780
the year.
155402:07:28,780 --> 02:07:33,140
Uh, now because I've gotten bogged down with so many other projects, obviously 2016 is
155502:07:33,140 --> 02:07:34,660
quite a ways away.
155602:07:34,660 --> 02:07:41,420
Um, and also the fact that I now am, well, at least for this year, I was trying to include
155702:07:41,420 --> 02:07:44,540
like mini series and like some television shows and it just wound up being like way
155802:07:44,540 --> 02:07:47,300
too much of a impossible task.
155902:07:47,300 --> 02:07:49,940
So now I'm gonna have to like cut some of these things out of my list that I haven't
156002:07:49,940 --> 02:07:55,240
seen yet, but essentially, you know, I'll just dedicate if I've got no other editing
156102:07:55,240 --> 02:07:58,220
projects and no other film festivals going on, then I'll just dedicate the entire week
156202:07:58,220 --> 02:08:01,420
of just like, okay, I'm just going to watch everything on this list.
156302:08:01,420 --> 02:08:05,020
And then anything that makes my short list, I watch a second time and decide if it makes
156402:08:05,020 --> 02:08:06,540
the actual list.
156502:08:06,540 --> 02:08:08,900
And then the list themselves are never 10 movies.
156602:08:08,900 --> 02:08:12,220
They're like, I think the last one I made had 40 movies on them.
156702:08:12,220 --> 02:08:17,820
Um, but there really is that much great worthwhile stuff to check out in a year, if not more.
156802:08:17,820 --> 02:08:18,820
And that's what people don't often realize.
156902:08:18,820 --> 02:08:22,700
So do you try to, are you like just consistently eight years then behind on everything?
157002:08:22,700 --> 02:08:28,660
No, no, I've, I've just, well, cause I also, when I started doing it, the first one I did
157102:08:28,660 --> 02:08:31,700
was 2009 when I started my channel in 2010.
157202:08:31,700 --> 02:08:32,700
Okay.
157302:08:32,700 --> 02:08:36,860
Um, and so in that same sense, I've not only been going forward in time, but I've also
157402:08:36,860 --> 02:08:39,060
kind of trying, been trying to go backward in time.
157502:08:39,060 --> 02:08:43,900
So I did my 2008 list, I did my 2008 list last, then I'm going to go 2016 and then I'm
157602:08:43,900 --> 02:08:48,380
going to go 2007 and then depending on, yeah, well, so I've just, I have to manage my time
157702:08:48,380 --> 02:08:49,380
better.
157802:08:49,380 --> 02:08:51,380
It's becoming like a, it's taking its own form.
157902:08:51,380 --> 02:08:53,380
Especially cause you still have to watch Band of Brothers too, right?
158002:08:53,380 --> 02:08:54,380
Yeah.
158102:08:54,380 --> 02:08:55,380
I got to watch that 10 times.
158202:08:55,380 --> 02:08:56,380
Yeah.
158302:08:56,380 --> 02:08:57,380
At least.
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Yeah.
158502:08:58,380 --> 02:08:59,380
Okay.
158602:08:59,380 --> 02:09:00,380
Um, roll the good cinematography clip.
158702:09:00,380 --> 02:09:01,380
Good cinematography clip.
158802:09:01,380 --> 02:09:07,380
We're going to watch you talk about what makes a movie good for you.
158902:09:07,380 --> 02:09:09,380
Okay.
159002:09:09,380 --> 02:09:14,380
Oh sh*t.
159102:09:14,380 --> 02:09:15,380
That's funny.
159202:09:15,380 --> 02:09:16,380
Good meme.
159302:09:16,380 --> 02:09:25,980
You gotta give a little more warning, Steve.
159402:09:25,980 --> 02:09:29,840
Like they, they explained it and then explained it again, even though it's an R rated movie
159502:09:29,840 --> 02:09:34,140
and theoretically it's not children watching it.
159602:09:34,140 --> 02:09:35,260
What happened in the first movie again?
159702:09:35,260 --> 02:09:39,220
It was a king of comedy and it was a taxi driver, right?
159802:09:39,220 --> 02:09:40,220
Okay.
159902:09:40,220 --> 02:09:41,220
It was all right.
160002:09:41,220 --> 02:09:42,220
It was good.
160102:09:42,220 --> 02:09:43,220
Just not great.
160202:09:43,220 --> 02:09:44,220
Loved his performance.
160302:09:44,220 --> 02:09:45,220
Loved his performance.
160402:09:45,220 --> 02:09:46,220
Is that the right clip?
160502:09:46,220 --> 02:09:47,220
That's the first one.
160602:09:47,220 --> 02:09:48,220
Okay.
160702:09:48,220 --> 02:09:52,220
That was me talking about the first Joker.
160802:09:52,220 --> 02:09:53,220
Yeah.
160902:09:53,220 --> 02:09:55,220
The Joker baby.
161002:09:55,220 --> 02:09:57,980
Um, that was the first clip.
161102:09:57,980 --> 02:09:58,980
I've watched these.
161202:09:58,980 --> 02:09:59,980
The second one doesn't, it just is.
161302:09:59,980 --> 02:10:02,700
You're talking about Harley Quinn.
161402:10:02,700 --> 02:10:12,340
Um, when you think of what, um, when you think of what makes a good film, what you talk about
161502:10:12,340 --> 02:10:16,500
like how you, okay, fundamentally when you walk away from a film, I think from what you
161602:10:16,500 --> 02:10:20,500
told me the other day, you like something that makes you feel a particular thing.
161702:10:20,500 --> 02:10:23,100
Not a particular thing, but something like it makes you feel something.
161802:10:23,100 --> 02:10:24,100
I mean, right.
161902:10:24,100 --> 02:10:25,100
Yeah.
162002:10:25,100 --> 02:10:28,020
Um, when you're evaluating like what you think is a good film or not, how do you figure out
162102:10:28,020 --> 02:10:31,500
like these are things that I think make for a good film that make me feel a particular
162202:10:31,500 --> 02:10:32,500
thing.
162302:10:32,500 --> 02:10:38,380
These are things that don't like, what do you think are, I don't think it's difficult
162402:10:38,380 --> 02:10:44,820
to gauge having like a personal strong connection or experience with a film as a whole or its
162502:10:44,820 --> 02:10:50,040
ideas or a scene from a film or a performance in a film or the music in a film in terms
162602:10:50,040 --> 02:10:52,940
of like my own engagement, it's pretty night and day.
162702:10:52,940 --> 02:10:53,940
Right.
162802:10:53,940 --> 02:10:58,060
So if it's a movie that I don't connect with, I might be zoning out and start thinking about
162902:10:58,060 --> 02:10:59,500
my taxes or something.
163002:10:59,500 --> 02:11:04,020
Or if it's a movie that I'm super into, it feels like 20 minutes has gone by and I'm
163102:11:04,020 --> 02:11:07,920
like just wow, the whole movie happened and I absorbed so much about it and I'm thinking
163202:11:07,920 --> 02:11:12,100
on it about it on different layers and I'm appreciating it in different ways.
163302:11:12,100 --> 02:11:15,380
So on the personal level, it's not really something that's difficult to get judge and
163402:11:15,380 --> 02:11:20,380
I don't think that it should be for anybody on an artistic level.
163502:11:20,380 --> 02:11:26,420
Um, you know, there's certain, everybody can judge a film differently in terms of what
163602:11:26,420 --> 02:11:28,560
attributes they value over others.
163702:11:28,560 --> 02:11:33,420
So if somebody is really, really super into like just performances alone and doesn't really
163802:11:33,420 --> 02:11:39,740
have much of an understanding or appreciation for or comprehension of something like cinematography
163902:11:39,740 --> 02:11:44,860
or lenses or framing or music, right?
164002:11:44,860 --> 02:11:49,140
There's so many people that are just music illiterate and you know, most of those people
164102:11:49,140 --> 02:11:53,660
are still able to feel an intended emotion, but they might not understand why something
164202:11:53,660 --> 02:11:58,500
like the score and poor things is like particularly special or they might not understand the choices
164302:11:58,500 --> 02:12:00,340
behind some of the music being made.
164402:12:00,340 --> 02:12:02,300
So everybody has their own strengths and weaknesses.
164502:12:02,300 --> 02:12:08,620
I'm not like a, you know, genius, you know, academic, but you know, master on every single
164602:12:08,620 --> 02:12:13,380
one of these, but there are things that I feel like I find some level of appreciation
164702:12:13,380 --> 02:12:18,580
for whether that be personal connection and it's just like, Oh, I like seeing this type
164802:12:18,580 --> 02:12:22,460
of thing cause I like sci-fi horror or I like, you know, it's a furry movie or something
164902:12:22,460 --> 02:12:23,460
like that.
165002:12:23,460 --> 02:12:24,460
Like, Oh yeah, this is great.
165102:12:24,460 --> 02:12:31,740
Um, versus this is an actual achievement and I can, uh, respect the artistry and, uh, the
165202:12:31,740 --> 02:12:36,140
choices that went into it that might not even necessarily connect with me personally, but
165302:12:36,140 --> 02:12:39,700
I can at least respect in a way that it's like, okay, yeah, I see what you did there.
165402:12:39,700 --> 02:12:46,060
Perhaps to you, not my thing, but like we can't deny the talent going into this choice
165502:12:46,060 --> 02:12:47,660
or how something was pulled off.
165602:12:47,660 --> 02:12:53,300
When are you, when you're watching something, is it ever like, um, like a cerebral or intellectual,
165702:12:53,300 --> 02:13:00,020
uh, engagement in that you're like considering exactly what's happening or are you purely
165802:13:00,020 --> 02:13:03,260
going by emotion or intuition?
165902:13:03,260 --> 02:13:06,700
So like for example, uh, in that everything ever all at once movie, uh, one thing that
166002:13:06,700 --> 02:13:11,060
I noticed that's very cute is that during some transitions of mood from one scene to
166102:13:11,060 --> 02:13:15,860
the next, they are physically changing the aspect ratio of the film where they'll open
166202:13:15,860 --> 02:13:19,140
the aspect ratio, close it like, Oh, and I'll notice it's like, Oh, that's really cute.
166302:13:19,140 --> 02:13:21,900
Like, uh, you know, more dramatic aspect ratio, more epic scene.
166402:13:21,900 --> 02:13:23,140
Like I, I like that.
166502:13:23,140 --> 02:13:26,340
Would you watch something like that and think that, or would you be like, just like, Oh,
166602:13:26,340 --> 02:13:27,340
this feels more epic.
166702:13:27,340 --> 02:13:29,820
And then when you finish watching, you'll go back and think like, okay, well why did
166802:13:29,820 --> 02:13:30,820
this feel epic?
166902:13:30,820 --> 02:13:36,060
I'm usually, um, a lot of the choices that are made during my, like as I'm experiencing
167002:13:36,060 --> 02:13:39,780
in real time, I'll pick up on, uh, like choices like aspect ratio.
167102:13:39,780 --> 02:13:43,140
Like there might be some where I'm like, okay, you know, on a second watch, I didn't notice
167202:13:43,140 --> 02:13:47,820
that a lot of my favorite movies that exist, like every, every one of my favorite movies
167302:13:47,820 --> 02:13:51,100
are ones that I continue to find new layers and levels of appreciation.
167402:13:51,100 --> 02:13:53,820
The more times that I watched them and the more that I engage with them.
167502:13:53,820 --> 02:13:57,980
Uh, so it really depends on the film, but in terms of my experience, it's, it's always
167602:13:57,980 --> 02:14:02,780
a combination of the two that's going into how I feel about a movie and my rating for
167702:14:02,780 --> 02:14:03,780
a film.
167802:14:03,780 --> 02:14:08,660
I would never rate a film a 10 that I didn't have some sort of like strong genuine love
167902:14:08,660 --> 02:14:09,660
for.
168002:14:09,660 --> 02:14:14,860
Um, and I don't think I would also rate a 10 that only consisted of a genuine love,
168102:14:14,860 --> 02:14:18,100
but no, like not being impressed by anything.
168202:14:18,100 --> 02:14:19,100
Right.
168302:14:19,100 --> 02:14:20,100
Okay.
168402:14:20,100 --> 02:14:22,660
When you're watching like synecdoche in New York for the first time, are you ever thinking
168502:14:22,660 --> 02:14:25,860
in that movie, like what is the director trying to say here?
168602:14:25,860 --> 02:14:29,380
Like considering it that way as you see something on screen or you just like absorbing it and
168702:14:29,380 --> 02:14:31,700
watching it and then that's something you'd consider afterwards.
168802:14:31,700 --> 02:14:36,420
There is, there is that thought process that happens, but it depends on the film and there's
168902:14:36,420 --> 02:14:41,260
certain types of films that, that, uh, beckon you to analyze it more.
169002:14:41,260 --> 02:14:42,260
Okay.
169102:14:42,260 --> 02:14:46,220
The first time I watched synecdoche in New York, you know, it starts out almost like
169202:14:46,220 --> 02:14:51,260
a normal narrative until it starts like the universe crumbles essentially.
169302:14:51,260 --> 02:14:56,660
And you're forced to, uh, interact with the film in a completely different way than you
169402:14:56,660 --> 02:14:57,660
were before.
169502:14:57,660 --> 02:15:02,020
So in that sense, I probably wasn't thinking as much about, you know, the choices at the
169602:15:02,020 --> 02:15:06,220
beginning and like maybe there's some subconscious choices that were being picked up.
169702:15:06,220 --> 02:15:09,660
Like, okay, what feels like time's moving really fast here at the beginning.
169802:15:09,660 --> 02:15:10,660
Like this is odd.
169902:15:10,660 --> 02:15:14,100
Like this is unlike the other Charlie Kaufman films that I've seen.
170002:15:14,100 --> 02:15:19,940
Um, but yeah, it depends on the movie and it depends on what it feels the movie is going
170102:15:19,940 --> 02:15:25,300
for and how much it really feels as though there's anything that could be uncovered or
170202:15:25,300 --> 02:15:26,300
engaged with.
170302:15:26,300 --> 02:15:27,300
Right.
170402:15:27,300 --> 02:15:31,620
When I'm watching a f*cking Judd Apatow film, like just really bland comedy, every single
170502:15:31,620 --> 02:15:34,940
shot is just same framing shot, reverse shot.
170602:15:34,940 --> 02:15:37,580
They cut back between two characters, just shooting the sh*t.
170702:15:37,580 --> 02:15:42,420
And it's just a B, a B, a B. I'm not, when I'm watching something like that and it's
170802:15:42,420 --> 02:15:45,780
so familiar and I'm like, there's a billion of these and I know enough about the director
170902:15:45,780 --> 02:15:49,540
and I know enough about the audience and I know about enough about what it's going for
171002:15:49,540 --> 02:15:53,380
or what people are generally feeling about it.
171102:15:53,380 --> 02:15:57,820
I might not be looking for f*cking clues and I might not be engaging with it in a way of
171202:15:57,820 --> 02:16:00,740
like, oh, what's the meta layer of what it's trying to say about society.
171302:16:00,740 --> 02:16:05,940
I might just have my brain just not even intentionally just f*cking turned off and not absorbing
171402:16:05,940 --> 02:16:08,100
it and just it bouncing off me in certain ways.
171502:16:08,100 --> 02:16:14,220
So yeah, it's, it's just a case by case basis and just when you've seen enough movies and
171602:16:14,220 --> 02:16:20,260
you know, especially, uh, enough about what types of things that connect with you and
171702:16:20,260 --> 02:16:26,060
the ways in which films can tell a story or not tell a story or tell an idea or communicate
171802:16:26,060 --> 02:16:31,300
something, the more that you've done that, the more that you'll be able to assess when,
171902:16:31,300 --> 02:16:35,820
you know, or that you'll naturally just be interested in engaging with it more in a sense.
172002:16:35,820 --> 02:16:36,820
Okay.
172102:16:36,820 --> 02:16:37,820
Random quick question.
172202:16:37,820 --> 02:16:38,820
There might be an easy answer to this.
172302:16:38,820 --> 02:16:39,820
I'm just curious.
172402:16:39,820 --> 02:16:42,620
Why, why was the lady, the wallpaper in the beginning of that film?
172502:16:42,620 --> 02:16:44,260
Is there a reason do you think or what do you think?
172602:16:44,260 --> 02:16:50,100
Yeah, because it's, it's going, it's going for the ideas of, um, people have lived in
172702:16:50,100 --> 02:16:52,340
the same places before you.
172802:16:52,340 --> 02:16:53,340
Okay.
172902:16:53,340 --> 02:16:58,780
Um, and the remnants of other people that have existed living entire lives are still
173002:16:58,780 --> 02:17:05,460
things that exist in the background and, and implanting it in a very subtle way where the
173102:17:05,460 --> 02:17:10,020
entire first sequence of that movie, like the entire first like 30 minutes, there's
173202:17:10,020 --> 02:17:16,300
so many things where it seems like the aesthetic goal is to make you think that something's
173302:17:16,300 --> 02:17:21,500
off and that in of itself, even if what's happening narratively seems pretty easy to
173402:17:21,500 --> 02:17:26,380
follow when there's enough things that subconsciously maybe even that you're not directly paying
173502:17:26,380 --> 02:17:31,620
attention to or directly absorbing, there's enough things that seem off about something
173602:17:31,620 --> 02:17:35,900
that it can trick your brain into maybe subconsciously or maybe consciously if you're thinking about
173702:17:35,900 --> 02:17:39,340
it into wanting to peer into it more.
173802:17:39,340 --> 02:17:43,300
There's tons of things like that within that sequence about, um, you know, the way that
173902:17:43,300 --> 02:17:49,940
time is flowing and like the dates and the editing and there's a lot of imagery of, uh,
174002:17:49,940 --> 02:17:55,940
there'll be like series of like three objects, but you'll see like the imprint on a wall
174102:17:55,940 --> 02:18:00,700
of one and one is missing and it's like, okay, that's a very intentional choice to make your
174202:18:00,700 --> 02:18:05,320
brain feel like there's some sense of unease to be like, wait, something's wrong.
174302:18:05,320 --> 02:18:07,260
Even if you're not consciously noticing it the first time.
174402:18:07,260 --> 02:18:09,900
So it's, it can serve more than one purpose.
174502:18:09,900 --> 02:18:12,060
It can be an aesthetic like, Oh, what is that?
174602:18:12,060 --> 02:18:15,460
And make you want to analyze and dissect the film more.
174702:18:15,460 --> 02:18:20,780
But I think that there also is like, you know, it ties into the themes of, of, you know,
174802:18:20,780 --> 02:18:25,340
past people in past lives and things being with you, even if you didn't know that they
174902:18:25,340 --> 02:18:28,420
were with you, even if you weren't conscious about it, something's there.
175002:18:28,420 --> 02:18:34,240
And you know, if I remember correctly, like the, the woman in the wallpaper kind of looks
175102:18:34,240 --> 02:18:36,540
like Ellen if I remember correctly too.
175202:18:36,540 --> 02:18:38,580
So possibly I think our back has turned to the camera.
175302:18:38,580 --> 02:18:41,580
So, but, um, I'm guessing we have to go into this.
175402:18:41,580 --> 02:18:45,180
I'm guessing you probably think that like sequels and sequels and sequels is probably
175502:18:45,180 --> 02:18:49,500
not a healthy direction for movies to go where we're relying on.
175602:18:49,500 --> 02:18:55,340
It's a lack of faith in artists because the business decision is entirely reliant on the
175702:18:55,340 --> 02:19:00,300
IP, whether it's a preexisting IP or a direct sequel to just something that was just created
175802:19:00,300 --> 02:19:06,420
or soft reboot, you know, a lot of things either don't get funded if there's not Scarlett
175902:19:06,420 --> 02:19:11,460
Johansson in it or if it's not a preexisting IP or if it's not Christopher Nolan and then
176002:19:11,460 --> 02:19:13,820
all these other movies that don't even need that much money.
176102:19:13,820 --> 02:19:17,740
You know, we could have a mid budget movie and you wouldn't have to make back a billion
176202:19:17,740 --> 02:19:19,380
dollars to be profitable.
176302:19:19,380 --> 02:19:21,820
A lot of these movies just aren't funded, which is unfortunate.
176402:19:21,820 --> 02:19:22,820
Okay.
176502:19:22,820 --> 02:19:26,340
So without looking at necessarily like sequels, but looking at borrowing IPs, do you have
176602:19:26,340 --> 02:19:30,500
a strong feelings about all of the, I don't know about to say explosion, but it seems
176702:19:30,500 --> 02:19:32,820
like more popular recently like video game stuff.
176802:19:32,820 --> 02:19:35,540
Oh, so I think that like video game IPs.
176902:19:35,540 --> 02:19:36,540
Yeah.
177002:19:36,540 --> 02:19:38,140
The, uh, the last of us was a really popular thing.
177102:19:38,140 --> 02:19:39,740
The fallout show now was pretty big.
177202:19:39,740 --> 02:19:43,580
Uh, arcane, the anime from league of legends was like really popular when it came out.
177302:19:43,580 --> 02:19:45,340
Do you think that this is like an okay thing?
177402:19:45,340 --> 02:19:50,740
Do you think an adaptation of video game stuff to, uh, you know, like mini series or movies,
177502:19:50,740 --> 02:19:53,500
is that like a thing you want to see more of that you're interested in or you're kind
177602:19:53,500 --> 02:19:54,500
of like whatever?
177702:19:54,500 --> 02:20:01,620
I mean, it's whenever I view things in terms of whether or not something should be made,
177802:20:01,620 --> 02:20:06,660
it's really just a question of is the director and the people directly involved with producing
177902:20:06,660 --> 02:20:11,500
the film, are they actually fans of the IP or are they just trying to capitalize on the
178002:20:11,500 --> 02:20:12,500
name of something?
178102:20:12,500 --> 02:20:15,420
Eli Roth's borderlands is going to f*cking suck.
178202:20:15,420 --> 02:20:19,820
That's going to be as it's going to like, I don't believe that even if he is a fan of
178302:20:19,820 --> 02:20:21,660
the game, he's just not that talented of a person.
178402:20:21,660 --> 02:20:23,260
He's not that creative of a person.
178502:20:23,260 --> 02:20:24,260
Jesus.
178602:20:24,260 --> 02:20:25,260
Um, yeah, sorry.
178702:20:25,260 --> 02:20:27,540
Uh, I know you're, he's your favorite director.
178802:20:27,540 --> 02:20:28,540
Yeah.
178902:20:28,540 --> 02:20:29,540
Okay.
179002:20:29,540 --> 02:20:36,780
Uh, yeah, it really just, um, I, there, I think there's room, there's space to be able
179102:20:36,780 --> 02:20:43,860
to make good video game IPs or, uh, translations from video games into film or mini series.
179202:20:43,860 --> 02:20:45,340
I did like the last of a show.
179302:20:45,340 --> 02:20:50,900
I thought the game was better, but it's cool that it is now being accessible to people,
179402:20:50,900 --> 02:20:54,140
you know, older people that would never touch a video game and still experience a lot of
179502:20:54,140 --> 02:20:57,740
what made the original story powerful and effective.
179602:20:57,740 --> 02:21:04,460
So, um, as long as the original media that you care about still exists and isn't being,
179702:21:04,460 --> 02:21:07,780
you know, replaced or anything like that, then that's fine.
179802:21:07,780 --> 02:21:08,780
Okay.
179902:21:08,780 --> 02:21:09,780
I don't mind the medium jumping.
180002:21:09,780 --> 02:21:11,620
I think we talked about this a couple of days ago.
180102:21:11,620 --> 02:21:15,320
One thing that worries me a little bit though, is it does get annoying sometimes when mediums
180202:21:15,320 --> 02:21:18,540
try to be other mediums that they're not, and then they lose something special about
180302:21:18,540 --> 02:21:19,540
the particular meeting they're from.
180402:21:19,540 --> 02:21:23,100
So yeah, video games that in my opinion, try too hard to be movies.
180502:21:23,100 --> 02:21:24,380
David Cage games.
180602:21:24,380 --> 02:21:26,460
Is that, wait, which ones does he make?
180702:21:26,460 --> 02:21:27,460
Heavy Rain.
180802:21:27,460 --> 02:21:28,460
I keep mentioning it.
180902:21:28,460 --> 02:21:29,460
Beyond Two Souls.
181002:21:29,460 --> 02:21:30,460
Okay.
181102:21:30,460 --> 02:21:34,340
For me, it was playing through some of the Far Cries, where you'll have quick time events
181202:21:34,340 --> 02:21:35,940
where you can't even fail them.
181302:21:35,940 --> 02:21:38,860
Like it'll be a knife fight and your character will be like, it'll say like push X.
181402:21:38,860 --> 02:21:40,820
And if you don't, it'll just stop here.
181502:21:40,820 --> 02:21:44,020
And then you push the button and then it does the next thing and I'm like, Oh my God.
181602:21:44,020 --> 02:21:49,220
The fake player interaction where if you have any bit of skepticism over it, it ruins the
181702:21:49,220 --> 02:21:50,220
illusion.
181802:21:50,220 --> 02:21:53,880
There's a lot of story choice games that do that exact same thing where they pretend there's
181902:21:53,880 --> 02:21:57,500
like an actual web of choices that will lead to somewhere else.
182002:21:57,500 --> 02:22:01,620
But then you try, it's like, okay, when I'm playing one of those and I'm not like, you
182102:22:01,620 --> 02:22:04,780
know, in love with the characters anyway, and I kind of just want to see what's going
182202:22:04,780 --> 02:22:05,780
to happen.
182302:22:05,780 --> 02:22:07,780
I kind of want to like test the game in a way.
182402:22:07,780 --> 02:22:11,220
I'll choose the option that I think the devs don't want me to do.
182502:22:11,220 --> 02:22:13,780
Like, okay, they don't think I'm going to pick this.
182602:22:13,780 --> 02:22:15,220
They don't think I'm going to pick this.
182702:22:15,220 --> 02:22:16,220
And then I choose it.
182802:22:16,220 --> 02:22:17,740
And then the character will be like, wait, are you sure?
182902:22:17,740 --> 02:22:18,740
And then just do the other option.
183002:22:18,740 --> 02:22:19,740
Yeah, and then it just loops you back in.
183102:22:19,740 --> 02:22:20,740
Oh, and somebody else saved me, right?
183202:22:20,740 --> 02:22:21,740
Yeah.
183302:22:21,740 --> 02:22:22,740
It's just like, okay, bullsh*t.
183402:22:22,740 --> 02:22:23,740
Don't even put that option there.
183502:22:23,740 --> 02:22:24,740
I hate it.
183602:22:24,740 --> 02:22:29,300
I really don't like, um, I don't like the vast majority of like, choose your own adventure
183702:22:29,300 --> 02:22:34,860
games because either they either all eventually loop back into two or three different endings.
183802:22:34,860 --> 02:22:36,620
I guess people argue Mass Effect kind of does.
183902:22:36,620 --> 02:22:38,860
This is like three different explosions for Mass Effect three.
184002:22:38,860 --> 02:22:40,740
That's the third game had a lot of issues.
184102:22:40,740 --> 02:22:41,740
Yeah.
184202:22:41,740 --> 02:22:44,820
Either that or you have like genuinely separate endings, but it's like, they're all kind of
184302:22:44,820 --> 02:22:49,220
sucky and it's like, I would rather just have like one really well done consistent story.
184402:22:49,220 --> 02:22:54,380
Um, but I know that different people have like vastly different opinions about, uh,
184502:22:54,380 --> 02:22:55,380
what that would look like.
184602:22:55,380 --> 02:22:56,380
Yeah.
184702:22:56,380 --> 02:22:59,820
I mean, I feel like Mass Effect had a lot of room to still have different consequences,
184802:22:59,820 --> 02:23:01,580
but you know, more or less have the same ending.
184902:23:01,580 --> 02:23:05,620
I just think that every one of the endings that they had for that third game was ass.
185002:23:05,620 --> 02:23:06,620
Sure.
185102:23:06,620 --> 02:23:07,620
Okay.
185202:23:07,620 --> 02:23:11,180
So do you, um, when you think of people like, uh, Neil Breen, love him.
185302:23:11,180 --> 02:23:13,020
Have you seen a Neil Breen film?
185402:23:13,020 --> 02:23:16,180
Is he the one with the horrible whisper ghost thing?
185502:23:16,180 --> 02:23:17,560
Am I making this up?
185602:23:17,560 --> 02:23:18,560
Whisper ghost thing.
185702:23:18,560 --> 02:23:24,060
You're going to have to, I mean, that might describe something in one of his films, but
185802:23:24,060 --> 02:23:25,060
it might not.
185902:23:25,060 --> 02:23:26,060
I don't know what you're thinking of.
186002:23:26,060 --> 02:23:27,060
I don't know.
186102:23:27,060 --> 02:23:28,060
Um, f*ck.
186202:23:28,060 --> 02:23:31,340
I look at this question and I see the one where I've seen the trailer for his film and
186302:23:31,340 --> 02:23:33,060
it's like a, like a joke movie.
186402:23:33,060 --> 02:23:34,060
Are you joking right now?
186502:23:34,060 --> 02:23:35,860
Or is it, does he make real films?
186602:23:35,860 --> 02:23:42,100
That is one of the most important questions about art is, is the fact that Neil Breen.
186702:23:42,100 --> 02:23:43,100
Yeah.
186802:23:43,100 --> 02:23:45,060
This guy, there's like the ghost thing on the screen.
186902:23:45,060 --> 02:23:46,060
It's like, whoo.
187002:23:46,060 --> 02:23:52,980
He, he is one of the most important artists working today.
187102:23:52,980 --> 02:23:53,980
Yeah.
187202:23:53,980 --> 02:24:00,880
And even though his films are to a large part, uh, inaccessible to the average audience member,
187302:24:00,880 --> 02:24:04,440
and there's a certain type of person that's going to really enjoy like a so bad that it's
187402:24:04,440 --> 02:24:05,440
good film.
187502:24:05,440 --> 02:24:06,440
Okay.
187602:24:06,440 --> 02:24:10,820
He is making them in such a consistent way where he is unfazed by the fact that like
187702:24:10,820 --> 02:24:14,520
most of the people in his audience and most of the people showing up to his films are
187802:24:14,520 --> 02:24:19,200
kind of laughing at him more than they're laughing with him in a sense.
187902:24:19,200 --> 02:24:22,920
Every other artist that's made a so bad that it's good film, like James Wynn of Birdemic
188002:24:22,920 --> 02:24:28,240
or Tommy Wiseau of The Room immediately, once they got any sort of sense that that's what
188102:24:28,240 --> 02:24:31,040
they created, they pretended as if they were in on it.
188202:24:31,040 --> 02:24:33,600
And then they would make another movie where it's like, see, I'm pretending to be funny
188302:24:33,600 --> 02:24:34,600
too.
188402:24:34,600 --> 02:24:40,280
And they're just terrible because it's not compelling when you fail at making an unserious
188502:24:40,280 --> 02:24:41,280
movie.
188602:24:41,280 --> 02:24:45,280
It's like when you're failing at making a serious earnest film and he's continued to
188702:24:45,280 --> 02:24:46,720
be earnest about his art.
188802:24:46,720 --> 02:24:51,520
He's continued to make films that speak to him clearly that are things that he wants
188902:24:51,520 --> 02:24:54,360
to communicate and he's clearly making what he loves.
189002:24:54,360 --> 02:24:55,840
And I love these f*cking films.
189102:24:55,840 --> 02:24:59,760
If you're going to start anywhere with Neil Breen, Fateful Findings is my favorite.
189202:24:59,760 --> 02:25:00,960
That's the one I was in.
189302:25:00,960 --> 02:25:04,640
Twisted Pear is his second best.
189402:25:04,640 --> 02:25:05,640
Start with those.
189502:25:05,640 --> 02:25:08,040
Anybody who wants to watch Neil Breen, they're great to watch with friends.
189602:25:08,040 --> 02:25:13,200
They're great to have like a drinking game with.
189702:25:13,200 --> 02:25:16,040
And yeah, I can't recommend him enough.
189802:25:16,040 --> 02:25:19,840
He's another artist that I've just been consistently pimping out.
189902:25:19,840 --> 02:25:23,000
And it's a different type of artist than some of the other ones that I've been recommending.
190002:25:23,000 --> 02:25:26,360
But you feel like Steve Seagal is the same as this guy?
190102:25:26,360 --> 02:25:27,360
No.
190202:25:27,360 --> 02:25:28,360
No?
190302:25:28,360 --> 02:25:29,360
Okay.
190402:25:29,360 --> 02:25:30,360
No.
190502:25:30,360 --> 02:25:31,360
He's the director, writer, and star of his films.
190602:25:31,360 --> 02:25:32,360
And you see his voice.
190702:25:32,360 --> 02:25:36,200
So even in a film like Synecdoche, New York, or a film like The Holy Mountain, or any one
190802:25:36,200 --> 02:25:42,740
of my favorite films, I love experiencing art where I can experience the person through
190902:25:42,740 --> 02:25:43,740
their art.
191002:25:43,740 --> 02:25:50,920
And this is no different, even if what they're showing has a lot of things that are mistakes,
191102:25:50,920 --> 02:25:53,920
and a lot of things that are bad.
191202:25:53,920 --> 02:25:59,940
But there is, you know, there's something to be said about it in the sense that is his
191302:25:59,940 --> 02:26:06,240
art any less legitimate or impactful than any other art that exists?
191402:26:06,240 --> 02:26:07,240
Like seriously.
191502:26:07,240 --> 02:26:08,240
Okay.
191602:26:08,240 --> 02:26:09,960
Do you feel the same way about, you know who the Shags are?
191702:26:09,960 --> 02:26:10,960
I love the Shags.
191802:26:10,960 --> 02:26:11,960
Okay.
191902:26:11,960 --> 02:26:12,960
I f*cking rock out to the Shags.
192002:26:12,960 --> 02:26:13,960
I have some of their songs memorized.
192102:26:13,960 --> 02:26:15,960
I could like play along.
192202:26:15,960 --> 02:26:16,960
Okay.
192302:26:16,960 --> 02:26:19,960
Shags is dope.
192402:26:19,960 --> 02:26:21,080
Yeah.
192502:26:21,080 --> 02:26:24,760
The Shags is unique because you never see that with music.
192602:26:24,760 --> 02:26:25,760
That's true.
192702:26:25,760 --> 02:26:27,760
It's really difficult to make so bad that it's good music.
192802:26:27,760 --> 02:26:30,860
Did you hear the backstory behind the Shags?
192902:26:30,860 --> 02:26:33,540
I have, yes.
193002:26:33,540 --> 02:26:34,540
You guys can look that up.
193102:26:34,540 --> 02:26:35,540
We're not going to talk about it.
193202:26:35,540 --> 02:26:36,540
Okay.
193302:26:36,540 --> 02:26:39,540
Final big topic, I think.
193402:26:39,540 --> 02:26:40,940
Yes.
193502:26:40,940 --> 02:26:46,660
How do you feel about the polititization of movies?
193602:26:46,660 --> 02:26:49,620
Well, macro, micro, and then you can speak.
193702:26:49,620 --> 02:26:54,660
So macro-wise, obviously talking about the politicization of anything is kind of silly
193802:26:54,660 --> 02:26:56,020
because like you said, what is art?
193902:26:56,020 --> 02:26:57,460
Well, what is politics?
194002:26:57,460 --> 02:27:01,260
Everything is kind of political, whether you're bucking a social norm or reinforcing it, you're
194102:27:01,260 --> 02:27:04,940
always doing something in some cultural context.
194202:27:04,940 --> 02:27:09,940
It seems like if I point to, as an example I use a lot, if I look at like women characters
194302:27:09,940 --> 02:27:15,980
in films, it feels like in the past there have been movies that have women leads who
194402:27:15,980 --> 02:27:19,980
do a really good job at that, but it felt like it wasn't the explicit goal of the director
194502:27:19,980 --> 02:27:23,180
or the artists to make that like a political statement.
194602:27:23,180 --> 02:27:24,580
They just happened to be there.
194702:27:24,580 --> 02:27:29,700
So like Sigourney Weaver as Ripley in Alien or Kill Bill.
194802:27:29,700 --> 02:27:33,780
These are like good examples of lead females who are just in awesome movies doing awesome
194902:27:33,780 --> 02:27:34,780
things.
195002:27:34,780 --> 02:27:38,100
And then you've got other movies where it feels a little bit more intentional.
195102:27:38,100 --> 02:27:41,900
So whatever the woman is that the quartering hates in Captain Marvel, he's made like 50
195202:27:41,900 --> 02:27:43,740
million, yeah, 50 million videos about her.
195302:27:43,740 --> 02:27:48,180
Or like Star Wars, the new trilogy or whatever with that female lead where it feels like
195402:27:48,180 --> 02:27:49,820
a little bit more of a political statement.
195502:27:49,820 --> 02:27:55,140
So you've got movies that feel like they're trying to make stronger political statements
195602:27:55,140 --> 02:27:56,820
in our current culture.
195702:27:56,820 --> 02:28:03,100
And then you've got now this kind of like YouTube movie reviewer culture that's very
195802:28:03,100 --> 02:28:07,260
politically oriented, where there are certain movies that I watch and I could tell just
195902:28:07,260 --> 02:28:10,460
because there's like a gay character or just because there's a static character, I know
196002:28:10,460 --> 02:28:12,660
there's someone on YouTube that's gonna be really f*cking mad about it.
196102:28:12,660 --> 02:28:14,980
What do you think about that environment in general?
196202:28:14,980 --> 02:28:17,140
It's a funny new environment that we're in.
196302:28:17,140 --> 02:28:21,660
And I find it kind of amusing that like a lot of the people that scream the loudest
196402:28:21,660 --> 02:28:27,740
about not wanting politics in their films are the ones injecting, like making them explicitly
196502:28:27,740 --> 02:28:31,900
political with how they're engaging with it, especially with the amount of these channels
196602:28:31,900 --> 02:28:36,820
that make 10 videos in a row about a movie that's not even out yet, but just like the
196702:28:36,820 --> 02:28:39,420
person who directed like a lesbian woman.
196802:28:39,420 --> 02:28:42,820
And she said that she liked Frozen because there wasn't like a male love story.
196902:28:42,820 --> 02:28:45,980
It's like, "Wait, that's not..."
197002:28:45,980 --> 02:28:49,260
And then you see, you search for like a trailer of like one of these new, it's always like
197102:28:49,260 --> 02:28:50,380
Star Wars and Marvel.
197202:28:50,380 --> 02:28:54,780
And it seems like most of the films that they experience and their entire language of how
197302:28:54,780 --> 02:28:58,900
they view film is only through the lens of Star Wars and Marvel, which is also another
197402:28:58,900 --> 02:29:04,060
frustrating thing because, you know, maybe not all of them, but definitely some of them,
197502:29:04,060 --> 02:29:07,300
you know, they have this sort of mantra of like, "Oh, movies are bad now."
197602:29:07,300 --> 02:29:13,300
And in reality, also, there's a bit of like, you know, a perception bias because films
197702:29:13,300 --> 02:29:18,020
from the past, you know, there was, if you look on Wikipedia and you just look at the
197802:29:18,020 --> 02:29:22,180
entire list of movies released within the year, like notable movies released within
197902:29:22,180 --> 02:29:26,020
the year, go to like 1996, right?
198002:29:26,020 --> 02:29:32,580
You'll find a bunch of sh*t that was just trash, forgotten, cynical, lazily made, no
198102:29:32,580 --> 02:29:34,780
personality, no soul.
198202:29:34,780 --> 02:29:36,580
But we remember the ones that are special.
198302:29:36,580 --> 02:29:39,740
And just like the films in this generation, we remember the ones that are special.
198402:29:39,740 --> 02:29:46,500
We remember the films that connect with people in ways that break the norms or ways that,
198502:29:46,500 --> 02:29:52,460
you know, might even be reinforcing some norms, but do something that people really, really
198602:29:52,460 --> 02:29:53,780
jive with.
198702:29:53,780 --> 02:30:00,180
So in the sense of, I guess, these characters kind of existing, I find it amusing that when
198802:30:00,180 --> 02:30:05,220
I search for like a new Star Wars or Marvel thing, oftentimes now, first result is Ben
198902:30:05,220 --> 02:30:06,220
Shapiro's response to it.
199002:30:06,220 --> 02:30:07,220
Take on the Barbie movie, like hour and a half, and then Critical Junker, and then the
199102:30:07,220 --> 02:30:08,220
cornering, and yeah.
199202:30:08,220 --> 02:30:14,740
And I'm like, you didn't even really talk about the trailer.
199302:30:14,740 --> 02:30:21,180
You just, you took an article from Pink News where the whole focus of that LGBT website
199402:30:21,180 --> 02:30:25,080
was to say, here's all the people involved on this show that are LGBT.
199502:30:25,080 --> 02:30:28,100
And it's like six people out of hundreds that are working on it.
199602:30:28,100 --> 02:30:33,260
He reads that article and then uses that and presents this to his audience.
199702:30:33,260 --> 02:30:35,460
And the implication is like, this is going to be the gayest show ever.
199802:30:35,460 --> 02:30:39,060
And they're trying to turn your kids gay and trans, right?
199902:30:39,060 --> 02:30:43,740
He's reading an article and it would seem like if you just saw his content and the same
200002:30:43,740 --> 02:30:48,740
people in his sort of ecosystem commenting on these things, you'd get an entirely different
200102:30:48,740 --> 02:30:54,540
impression about exactly what is happening in the industry or exactly what or how big
200202:30:54,540 --> 02:31:00,940
of an issue these things are when it's like, okay, well, one Star Wars show out of how
200302:31:00,940 --> 02:31:01,940
many are there?
200402:31:01,940 --> 02:31:02,940
f*cking 8,000 or whatever.
200502:31:02,940 --> 02:31:04,940
And it's like, okay, you have a lesbian woman directing it.
200602:31:04,940 --> 02:31:06,260
There's a trans person in it.
200702:31:06,260 --> 02:31:07,960
There's a non-binary person in it.
200802:31:07,960 --> 02:31:09,800
They maybe get like 10 seconds of screen time.
200902:31:09,800 --> 02:31:10,800
We have no idea.
201002:31:10,800 --> 02:31:13,120
Maybe one of them's a main character.
201102:31:13,120 --> 02:31:18,300
Is that really like a thing to be making like 10 videos about before it's out and acting
201202:31:18,300 --> 02:31:23,420
and really drumming up your audience and getting everybody kind of in this weird sort of like,
201302:31:23,420 --> 02:31:26,180
they're after you and you're after after your kids sort of mentality?
201402:31:26,180 --> 02:31:33,680
I think that that's a little historically harmful, maybe not a great sort of vibe for
201502:31:33,680 --> 02:31:38,340
people to be in, especially when there's a lot of like crazy impressionable people that
201602:31:38,340 --> 02:31:41,940
these people kind of know are probably in their audience too.
201702:31:41,940 --> 02:31:46,820
I don't think it's doing a lot of good, but everybody's entitled to their own opinion.
201802:31:46,820 --> 02:31:50,420
And there's a lot of these films that wind up sucking anyway.
201902:31:50,420 --> 02:31:54,460
You know, you wouldn't catch me being like, oh, whatever the f*ck.
202002:31:54,460 --> 02:31:59,100
Most of these shows that they take issue with are just sh*t shows anyway and sh*t movies,
202102:31:59,100 --> 02:32:02,740
but not because there's a trans person in it and not because there's a woman in it.
202202:32:02,740 --> 02:32:06,700
It's because they're creatively bankrupt in the exact same ideas I was talking about earlier,
202302:32:06,700 --> 02:32:10,300
where they have no faith in artists and they have faith in IPs.
202402:32:10,300 --> 02:32:11,740
That's exactly what the f*ck they're doing.
202502:32:11,740 --> 02:32:15,100
That's why all of these shows that they're doing this with are Marvel and Star Wars is
202602:32:15,100 --> 02:32:19,940
because historically they can look at certain demographics.
202702:32:19,940 --> 02:32:25,180
They can look at the fact that there is an appetite to want to see more women in movies.
202802:32:25,180 --> 02:32:29,180
There is an appetite for a certain portion of the crowd to want to see more people of
202902:32:29,180 --> 02:32:30,180
color in movies.
203002:32:30,180 --> 02:32:35,600
There's some appetite that exists to want to see representation of trans people or non-binary.
203102:32:35,600 --> 02:32:37,820
That's not happening to every show.
203202:32:37,820 --> 02:32:42,920
It's happening to a small fraction of shows, some of those being pre-existing IPs of big
203302:32:42,920 --> 02:32:48,300
names that I guess a lot of people are very emotionally attached to in a nostalgic way.
203402:32:48,300 --> 02:32:53,760
But the Barbie movie was the highest grossing film of last year.
203502:32:53,760 --> 02:32:55,700
It beat the f*cking Mario movie.
203602:32:55,700 --> 02:32:58,760
That was like the most feminist woke sh*t ever.
203702:32:58,760 --> 02:33:01,100
And so obviously there's an appetite for it.
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But what the Barbie movie did well is they trusted in actual artists like Noah Baumbach,
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like Greta Gerwig, right?
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These two that created this film from their own ideas and were allowed to essentially
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do what they wanted with, I'm sure, some notes, but not necessarily just trying to recreate
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the success of like, "Let's do Star Wars, but it's a woman."
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Or "Let's do Marvel, but it's a girl power movie."
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It's the creative bankruptcy that is causing these issues, not the fact that there's any
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sort of representation.
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I think that's what drives me the craziest when it comes to the very political analyses
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of really of anything.
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It can even be of political things when people have their particular ones they look through.
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But yeah, if you make a Ghostbusters movie with an all-male cast and the movie isn't
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that great, like Ghostbusters 2, nobody would ever say, "Well, they f*cked up because it
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was an all-male cast."
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But then if you make the all-female Ghostbusters and you're like, "Well, this movie wasn't
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good," it's not because they didn't have good ideas or because it was artistically bankrupt.
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It's because, well, it was because they picked women.
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And it's like, would men starring in that movie have made it any better?
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Is that really what we're running with?
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It's super frustrating.
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I think I would like to see a world where people are more self-conscious of their own
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biases in a way where I don't think the average person realizes just how much more they'll
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notice something that is not something that they're already used to.
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Because that is essentially a lot of criticism and a lot of conservative criticism, is that
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something is kind of challenging an existing norm or challenging an existing tradition.
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And so, you know, is it as much of a political statement for there to be a gay kiss as a
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straight kiss?
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It depends on who you ask.
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If we had a different—if society was entirely differently up until this point and we were
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in a different culture where there wasn't a stigma directly associated with one over
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the other, then it would be perceived less politically.
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So I don't know.
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It's like maybe it's just an issue of just trying to look at things like, you know, there's
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no true objectivity, but attemptedly more objective or try to look past your own biases
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or try to maybe think like, "Am I upset about this because it's different or is it being
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political because it's different or is there something more deep-rooted?
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Is there like an actual reason towards why I should be feeling upset about this film?
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Is it about the artistry?"
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Like, I think that's the most important factor is the artistry.
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And that seems to often get ignored by a lot of these channels in this particular ecosystem
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that have made things way more political from their own content than the things that they
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criticize, unfortunately.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then I wonder sometimes, like, maybe people are making political movies like this, if
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they are doing it spitefully or whatever, literally just because of your reaction to
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it.
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Yeah.
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No, because it's free promotion now.
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Yeah.
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It's free promotion now.
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And then even like some of the questions that were involved in this, like, "Why did this
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character have to be gay?"
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And it's like...
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Why do they have to be straight?
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I don't know.
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Why is anybody gay?
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It depends on the writer and it depends on, you know, what they're trying to do.
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If you don't connect with that sort of thing, like, no one's forcing you to watch the film.
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Yeah.
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Or...
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And there's like, it's not like there's a shortage of, like, heteronormative, straight,
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white characters in huge IPs.
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It's not like you can't find that.
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Do you feel similarly for people that read, like, people that read cultural commentary,
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political themes and everything?
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I'm really bringing this question up about Dune II.
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A lot of people read Dune II.
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I say a lot of people, but there's really just one person from the majority of the party
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who made a tweet about this.
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It was like a love letter to the Palestinians or whatever.
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I saw a lot of people trying to take, like, Star Wars and be like, "You guys really think
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that, you know, the rebels, that that would represent America?
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Like this is blah, blah, blah."
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Do you feel like movies, the way people view them now, is more political than, I guess,
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you felt like movies were like 20 or 30 years ago?
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I mean...
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I don't know what you think about that.
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Well, here's the thing.
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Anything you view on f*cking Twitter is going to be that way, right?
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I think it's the lens and the format that we view conversations through entirely.
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In that sense, it's not just films.
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It's literally everything has been hyper-politicized.
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I don't think that's a statement necessarily about the film industry or necessarily even
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film viewers.
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I think that's more a statement about Twitter and just internet brain people.
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And sure, there is room for some commentary about how you relate to a film politically,
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even if Dune is a story that was made...
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I don't remember what year the original book came out.
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It was pre-'80s anyway.
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Or maybe in the '80s.
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But even if you're attaching that onto current day political events, there's nothing wrong
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with that.
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I guess I would be careful before attributing intent to the artists in that way.
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I guess if you're just trying to be accurate.
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But there's no harm in having that connection with it.
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That's the type of way you want to think about it.
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Okay.
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You started...
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Well, not started.
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You made music a long time ago.
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Yes.
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You're working on music now.
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Yes.
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What is the feeling of...
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You've read the quote, "The critic isn't the man in the arena," or whatever the f*ck.
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You know what I'm talking about?
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I don't know.
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f*ck, I know you've heard this f*cking quote.
214902:38:19,840 --> 02:38:20,840
I'm sure I've heard it paraphrased in a billion different ways.
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I know you've heard this quote.
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The man in the arena is the one who risks everything and blah, blah, blah.
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Oh, yeah.
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And critics are failed artists.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Critics don't do anything.
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They just sit there and criticize.
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It's the guy that actually makes it.
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Well, here's the thing.
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Quentin Tarantino was a guy that rented a bunch of movies at the video store.
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He releases his own best of the year list.
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He releases his own criticisms.
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That's not his job, right?
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But he's just a person passionate about movies and he makes his own.
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In that sense, I'm passionate about movies.
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I'm passionate about music.
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I feel like it's easier for me to produce music than movies because that's something
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that my entire album was just self-produced.
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I can record this piano track.
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I can record this violin track.
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I can just literally do the entire thing myself.
217102:39:02,480 --> 02:39:07,520
When you go to make something like that, are you consciously thinking at every turn, "I
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have criticized this soundtrack because I thought this or that instrument was played
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poorly," and you're like, "f*ck, people are going to ... " You don't think about that at
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all?
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I think it's funny to be a person that ... There's a bunch of people that look at my content
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and be like, "Oh, you don't know what it's like to create something," or, "If you had
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someone criticize your thing, you'd feel upset."
217802:39:25,880 --> 02:39:30,760
No, I actively engaged with the criticism of the album that I produced.
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I know that the mixing isn't perfect.
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I did it my f*cking ... Most of it myself.
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I didn't have a producer, right?
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I know that there's some tracks where maybe there's one too many instruments, but this
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has informed how I approach my next project, which is the next album I create, I do want
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to have a producer.
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I do want to have other voices.
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I think that criticism is useful.
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Sure, maybe there's some people that will look at my music video or look at one of the
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songs that I made and be like, "This is bullsh*t," or, "I didn't like this chord progression,"
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or, "This sucks," or maybe some people that are just bitter and butt hurt because I criticized
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the Mario movie.
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It's up to the artists themselves to look at criticism and filter through what is valuable
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criticism that you can learn from versus what is criticism of just, "Oh, the person didn't
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get the movie," or, "The person didn't get the song."
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It's not for them.
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In the same way that a lot of my favorite films, a lot of my favorite musicians, like
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Bright Eyes, they're not trying to be playlist music.
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They're not trying to appeal to everyone in a massive way.
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They're doing things in a radically honest, radically personal way that connects with
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me, and the type of things that I create are the same way in the sense that I'm fine with
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less people connecting with it if the end result is that those people have a stronger
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connection.
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It speaks to them on a personal way that they're getting something out of my music that is
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not being offered by anyone else because I'm doing something that reflects myself and,
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I guess, a part of themselves.
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By the way, so you're familiar with my music, if anybody listening wants to check it out,
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it's called "An Unkindness," A-N space U-N-K-I-N-D-N-E-S-S.
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I filmed a music video for the song "Anything."
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It's a lot of sad music.
220902:41:14,380 --> 02:41:18,760
It's a lot of therapeutic music for me, just me trying to get over different things in
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my life.
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I think the best track on the album is "Acceptance."
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That's the closing track, so if you listen to one, I guess that would be it.
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And fun factoid, Blondie, the band Blondie, covered one of my tracks, "Fragments."
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They used it as the closing track on their most recent album, "Pollinator," which was
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really cool.
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So shout out to Debbie Harry and Chris Stein for making that happen.
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That was awesome.
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Awesome.
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Yeah.
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Well, cool.
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Thank you.
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You are, wait, are you working on, would you ever film like a movie thing?
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I would love to.
222402:41:52,160 --> 02:42:00,520
I have a plethora of thoughts and notes that I send myself and back up in different places,
222502:42:00,520 --> 02:42:06,920
of potential ideas for a movie concept, or potential ideas for just a character, or the
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way I want to shoot a scene, or the way I would practically do something.
222702:42:11,280 --> 02:42:18,080
My biggest issue that I've come across when thinking about creating a film is the fact
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that I am currently in this cycle of dedicating so much time to my existing YouTube things,
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where I don't have like a huge chunk of money that I can just kind of like take a big break
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and like, especially because I'm trying to live in two places at once right now, visit
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my boyfriend in the States.
223202:42:33,360 --> 02:42:37,720
I'm at a weird point in my life where I'm like trying to figure out ways to better monetize
223302:42:37,720 --> 02:42:43,800
what I'm doing to maybe give myself a bit more of a cushion and be able to tackle on
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larger projects like that.
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Also tendonitis in my wrist.
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It's kind of hard to like type up a script, but I'm trying to fix that.
223702:42:50,200 --> 02:42:53,560
And I'm, you know, doing a lot of physical therapy and I have a personal trainer and
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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
223902:42:55,240 --> 02:42:57,000
So there's hurdles in the way.
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It's not impossible.
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I'm just in a weird, maybe when I turn 35, I'm going to have a crisis and be like, I
224202:43:03,080 --> 02:43:04,080
got to do it now.
224302:43:04,080 --> 02:43:07,520
And then just f*cking stop making YouTube videos and be like, I don't care if I have
224402:43:07,520 --> 02:43:12,060
to change my lifestyle, but something's going to happen at some point.
224502:43:12,060 --> 02:43:18,120
Right now I think another album is probably just the most realistic goal in terms of things
224602:43:18,120 --> 02:43:23,320
that I could do where I'm expressing a true part of myself and being happy in some way.
224702:43:23,320 --> 02:43:24,320
Okay.
224802:43:24,320 --> 02:43:26,640
Well, hey, listen, if you make one, I'll be sure to criticize it.
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Since you didn't endorse the three movies that I think are essential human experience
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movies.
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If people are looking for your stuff, where can they find you?
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What big project you're working on?
225302:43:35,160 --> 02:43:36,600
What do you want to plug?
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YMS on YouTube.
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I made a dank ass video about Kimba the White Lion.
225602:43:42,480 --> 02:43:48,160
I debunked a 24 to 25 year old animation conspiracy by watching an anime that apparently most
225702:43:48,160 --> 02:43:49,160
people didn't.
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There was a lot of bullsh*t.
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If you like, if you like kind of internet drama, almost type stuff and skepticism and
226002:43:56,160 --> 02:44:02,040
well researched things, I would say that would be my best video for that sort of thing.
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And since you're the type of people that like seeing live streams, please check out.
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I have a Twitch channel twitch.tv/ymsplays spelled exactly how you would think.
226302:44:14,600 --> 02:44:18,360
And I'm on kickkick.com/yms.
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And if you're looking at watching movies and you might want to do that in a social way,
226502:44:23,280 --> 02:44:26,080
you might want some company, some commentary.
226602:44:26,080 --> 02:44:29,520
I do movie watch along streams in both of those places.
226702:44:29,520 --> 02:44:35,880
And the YouTube version of that is youtube.com/atymswatchalongs.
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You can find the archives of all these watch alongs I've done.
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Basically the time code shows at the bottom of the screen.
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All you have to do is just click, click play when I do the three, two, one countdown.
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And it's like you're watching a movie with a commentary track.
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And if you're, if you hit the bell, then you'll know when I start a stream, you might see
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a movie live.
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You're just responsible for finding your own copy.
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Got a gaming channel.
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YMS plays on YouTube.
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And then yeah, that's about it.
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And unkindness for the music again.
227902:45:00,000 --> 02:45:02,080
But yeah, I have too many things that I'm doing.
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It's my everything I plug is a f*cking novel at this point.
228102:45:06,040 --> 02:45:08,720
You need like a, you just have like a website, like a link tree or something where people
228202:45:08,720 --> 02:45:09,720
can click off and find all this stuff.
228302:45:09,720 --> 02:45:11,400
I thought about creating a link tree and then I didn't.
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And I don't remember where I stopped with it.
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People can find all your stuff.
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Yeah.
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I mean on the YMS main channel on YouTube, which is where, you know, the most viewed
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videos are is where there's links to other things.
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So I guess you could just look in the about section or the, yeah, just get search YMS
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You'll find the other links there.
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That's the easiest way to do it.
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All right.
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Well, thank you so much.
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Thanks for coming out.
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I appreciate it.
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Also, if you ever hear me play piano on stream, it's because you sent me that keyboard like
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I think two or three years ago, that music video that I was talking about, I wrote that
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song on that keyboard.
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Oh, well, cool.
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Well, thank you.
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We all thank you.
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And yeah, thanks a lot for coming out.
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Thank you.
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That was great.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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